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DANGERCLOSE London 28 Mar 20 11.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You just know it's coming. Agreed
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You just know it's coming.

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Stirlingsays 29 Mar 20 12.05am
52 dead in Japan. Not economically locked down. ....fifty more million people...a more elderly population and Toyko is more highly populated that London. But hey, apparently staying home and losing your job is what is important. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.06am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Mar 20 12.05am

52 dead in Japan.
Not economically locked down.
....fifty more million people...a more elderly population and Toyko is more highly populated that London.

But hey, apparently staying home and losing your job is what is important.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.06am)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Mar 20 2.10am
We went thorough SARS in Hong Kong. Now we have second wave / surge of Covid which is basically exclusively caused by returnees, the vast majority students from the UK . Some were flying knowing they were sick because no checks on exit from UK airports. Everyone here wears a mask and whatever the science on effectiveness they have a positive effect on stopping spread, particularly now Covid is clearly transmissable though the air. We look in sorrow at UL News and see virtually no masks being worn other than by medical staff. When they are available please wear then particularly if you are travelling on public transport. Hong Kong now has introduced compulsory social distancing rules in bars and restaurants rather than order them closed, but, in reality the economy in Hong Kong is shot after the riots and this virus will have a massive impact on hospitality and tourism sector which is a major employer. We literally have people with tape measures checking if tables are 1.5M apart. Anyway, bit rambling. Hope the HOL family take care and stay well Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 29 Mar 20 2.10am

We went thorough SARS in Hong Kong.

Now we have second wave / surge of Covid which is basically exclusively caused by returnees, the vast majority students from the UK . Some were flying knowing they were sick because no checks on exit from UK airports.

Everyone here wears a mask and whatever the science on effectiveness they have a positive effect on stopping spread, particularly now Covid is clearly transmissable though the air.

We look in sorrow at UL News and see virtually no masks being worn other than by medical staff.

When they are available please wear then particularly if you are travelling on public transport.

Hong Kong now has introduced compulsory social distancing rules in bars and restaurants rather than order them closed, but, in reality the economy in Hong Kong is shot after the riots and this virus will have a massive impact on hospitality and tourism sector which is a major employer.

We literally have people with tape measures checking if tables are 1.5M apart.

Anyway, bit rambling. Hope the HOL family take care and stay well

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 29 Mar 20 9.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's very strange because I find myself in exactly the same position at the moment. There are rather more important things to do right now than argue with the hopelessly deluded who dominate the threads here. In normal times it can be both educational and amusing but right now hostilities need to be suspended as we all join the national effort to defeat this threat. still at it with the insults I see wissyboy, why not take your own advice and do something 'important'??
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The garden of England.(not really) 29 Mar 20 9.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's very strange because I find myself in exactly the same position at the moment.

There are rather more important things to do right now than argue with the hopelessly deluded who dominate the threads here. In normal times it can be both educational and amusing but right now hostilities need to be suspended as we all join the national effort to defeat this threat.

still at it with the insults I see wissyboy, why not take your own advice and do something 'important'??

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samprior Hamburg 29 Mar 20 9.38am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 52 dead in Japan. Not economically locked down. ....fifty more million people...a more elderly population and Toyko is more highly populated that London. But hey, apparently staying home and losing your job is what is important. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.06am) [Link]
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Hamburg 29 Mar 20 9.38am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

52 dead in Japan.
Not economically locked down.
....fifty more million people...a more elderly population and Toyko is more highly populated that London.

But hey, apparently staying home and losing your job is what is important.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.06am)

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samprior Hamburg 29 Mar 20 9.45am
Appears Juventus players and staff have made the best gesture yet. Agreeing to waive their pay for 4 months. Fair play. [Link] Maybe I jumped the gun. Not waived their salaries but significant pay cut. [Link] Stories like this are emerging from many major leagues... except ours Edited by samprior (29 Mar 2020 9.55am)
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Hamburg 29 Mar 20 9.45am

Appears Juventus players and staff have made the best gesture yet. Agreeing to waive their pay for 4 months. Fair play.

[Link]

Maybe I jumped the gun. Not waived their salaries but significant pay cut.

[Link]

Stories like this are emerging from many major leagues... except ours

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 10.36am
A sample poll of Conservative members has revealed that 6% are of the opinion that the 'Lockdown' doesn't go far enough, whilst 15% believe it has gone too far. Another question revealed that 21% believe that the Government has over-reacted, with predicted deaths of 50,000, 63% believe otherwise whilst 16% are in the 'Dont know' category. Edited by Willo (29 Mar 2020 10.48am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 10.36am

A sample poll of Conservative members has revealed that 6% are of the opinion that the 'Lockdown' doesn't go far enough, whilst 15% believe it has gone too far.

Another question revealed that 21% believe that the Government has over-reacted, with predicted deaths of 50,000, 63% believe otherwise whilst 16% are in the 'Dont know' category.

Edited by Willo (29 Mar 2020 10.48am)

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Goal Machine The Cronx 29 Mar 20 11.29am
Originally posted by samprior [Link] Interesting article and makes a lot of sense. It’s clear that different cultural behaviours can effect the spread. I’ve always found it bizarre to see Japenese tourists wearing face masks in London and never quite got it, but of course it’s the norm to them. Going by the article the Japenese appear to make very little contact by bowing rather than a handshake or kiss. Europe, and in particular the Italians, are very elaborate with their greetings, which is possibly why the spread has been so disastrous. I expect to see a big change in hygiene behaviours once this has passed. The way us Brits are culturally, we just need to self isolate until this passes. A return to normal life now would kill so many. The economy will recover in time, it always does. Saving lives has to be priority for now.
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The Cronx 29 Mar 20 11.29am

Originally posted by samprior

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Interesting article and makes a lot of sense. It’s clear that different cultural behaviours can effect the spread. I’ve always found it bizarre to see Japenese tourists wearing face masks in London and never quite got it, but of course it’s the norm to them. Going by the article the Japenese appear to make very little contact by bowing rather than a handshake or kiss.

Europe, and in particular the Italians, are very elaborate with their greetings, which is possibly why the spread has been so disastrous.

I expect to see a big change in hygiene behaviours once this has passed. The way us Brits are culturally, we just need to self isolate until this passes. A return to normal life now would kill so many.

The economy will recover in time, it always does. Saving lives has to be priority for now.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 11.46am
Originally posted by Goal Machine Interesting article and makes a lot of sense. It’s clear that different cultural behaviours can effect the spread. I’ve always found it bizarre to see Japenese tourists wearing face masks in London and never quite got it, but of course it’s the norm to them. Going by the article the Japenese appear to make very little contact by bowing rather than a handshake or kiss. Europe, and in particular the Italians, are very elaborate with their greetings, which is possibly why the spread has been so disastrous. I expect to see a big change in hygiene behaviours once this has passed. The way us Brits are culturally, we just need to self isolate until this passes. A return to normal life now would kill so many. The economy will recover in time, it always does. Saving lives has to be priority for now. A Professor writing in the 'Sunday Times' mentioned that the lockdown could well be extended until the end of May or early June and Michael Gove has talked about an "Extended period".This is all very depressing.'Cabin fever' in the 'Big Brother house' has its ramifications.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 11.46am

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Europe, and in particular the Italians, are very elaborate with their greetings, which is possibly why the spread has been so disastrous.

I expect to see a big change in hygiene behaviours once this has passed. The way us Brits are culturally, we just need to self isolate until this passes. A return to normal life now would kill so many.

The economy will recover in time, it always does. Saving lives has to be priority for now.

A Professor writing in the 'Sunday Times' mentioned that the lockdown could well be extended until the end of May or early June and Michael Gove has talked about an "Extended period".This is all very depressing.'Cabin fever' in the 'Big Brother house' has its ramifications.

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Stirlingsays 29 Mar 20 12.06pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine Interesting article and makes a lot of sense. It’s clear that different cultural behaviours can effect the spread. I’ve always found it bizarre to see Japenese tourists wearing face masks in London and never quite got it, but of course it’s the norm to them. Going by the article the Japenese appear to make very little contact by bowing rather than a handshake or kiss. Europe, and in particular the Italians, are very elaborate with their greetings, which is possibly why the spread has been so disastrous. I expect to see a big change in hygiene behaviours once this has passed. The way us Brits are culturally, we just need to self isolate until this passes. A return to normal life now would kill so many. The economy will recover in time, it always does. Saving lives has to be priority for now. The focus has been incorrect in my view. It should have been far more on implementing hygiene requirements and keeping far more of the economy going. We have never acted this way to any previous virus, which have had far higher death to infection rates. If another one comes are we going to act like this? Somehow I doubt that this is the last we will see over the next decades. The economy will recover? What like we have recovered from 2008? Have you really considered what would happen?...The world economy is already affected by this and a shutting down of months may bring in a lost decade. Consider that this spending is being placed upon unprecedented levels of existing debt caused via 2008. I read that each percent of unemployment kills thousands and lowers life expectancy through various means. We will also disproportionally affect the young and economically active. Taxes will rise considerably, borrowing rates will go up and public spending will arrow down.....and it's not going to be temporary. I predict a lot of people are going to change their minds over this fairly quickly. You could say I'm definitely in the 'cure is worst than the disease' camp. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Mar 20 12.06pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

Europe, and in particular the Italians, are very elaborate with their greetings, which is possibly why the spread has been so disastrous.

The economy will recover in time, it always does. Saving lives has to be priority for now.

The focus has been incorrect in my view. It should have been far more on implementing hygiene requirements and keeping far more of the economy going. We have never acted this way to any previous virus, which have had far higher death to infection rates.

If another one comes are we going to act like this? Somehow I doubt that this is the last we will see over the next decades.

The economy will recover? What like we have recovered from 2008? Have you really considered what would happen?...The world economy is already affected by this and a shutting down of months may bring in a lost decade. Consider that this spending is being placed upon unprecedented levels of existing debt caused via 2008.

I read that each percent of unemployment kills thousands and lowers life expectancy through various means. We will also disproportionally affect the young and economically active. Taxes will rise considerably, borrowing rates will go up and public spending will arrow down.....and it's not going to be temporary. I predict a lot of people are going to change their minds over this fairly quickly.

You could say I'm definitely in the 'cure is worst than the disease' camp.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.21pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 12.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The focus has been incorrect in my view. It should have been far more on implementing hygiene requirements and keeping far more of the economy going. We have never acted this way to any previous virus, which have had far higher death to infection rates. If another one comes are we going to act like this? Somehow I doubt that this is the last we will see over the next decades. The economy will recover? What like we have recovered from 2008? Have you really considered what would happen?...The world economy is already affected by this and a shutting down of months may bring in a lost decade. Consider that this spending is being placed upon unprecedented levels of existing debt caused via 2008. I read that each percent of unemployment kills thousands and lowers life expectancy through various means. We will also disproportionally affect the young and economically active. Taxes will rise considerably, borrowing rates will go up and public spending will arrow down.....and it's not going to be temporary. I predict a lot of people are going to change their minds over this fairly quickly. You could say I'm definitely in the 'cure is worst than the disease' camp. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.21pm) I suspect that as the lockdown starts to have an even greater negative effect, the numbers in the 'Cure is worst than the disease' camp will increase, possibly exponentially. I suspect there might be a growing band of people who are of the opinion that the sacrifices that younger and healthier people are being called to make on behalf of older and vulnerable ones are disproportionate. I fear a real 'Fall out' from having to "Stay at home" possibly until June.Families are not permitted to visit family members living in a different abode, partners have been split up for the same reason. The strain this will place on the population is intolerable and I can envisage many simply ignoring the advice as have they have reached a breaking point. Furthermore let's NOT forget the affect this is having on families within a home with tensions rising high leading to possible parting of the ways in a relationship.A lockdown against a backdrop of job insecurity or indeed job losses is certainly not a healthy 'cocktail'.I can see trouble on the not too distant horizon. Edited by Willo (29 Mar 2020 12.54pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 12.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If another one comes are we going to act like this? Somehow I doubt that this is the last we will see over the next decades.

You could say I'm definitely in the 'cure is worst than the disease' camp.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 12.21pm)

I suspect that as the lockdown starts to have an even greater negative effect, the numbers in the 'Cure is worst than the disease' camp will increase, possibly exponentially.

I suspect there might be a growing band of people who are of the opinion that the sacrifices that younger and healthier people are being called to make on behalf of older and vulnerable ones are disproportionate.

I fear a real 'Fall out' from having to "Stay at home" possibly until June.Families are not permitted to visit family members living in a different abode, partners have been split up for the same reason.

The strain this will place on the population is intolerable and I can envisage many simply ignoring the advice as have they have reached a breaking point.

Furthermore let's NOT forget the affect this is having on families within a home with tensions rising high leading to possible parting of the ways in a relationship.A lockdown against a backdrop of job insecurity or indeed job losses is certainly not a healthy 'cocktail'.I can see trouble on the not too distant horizon.

Edited by Willo (29 Mar 2020 12.54pm)

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