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cryrst The garden of England 13 Jun 20 7.03am | |
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If nothing else it shows the total distain blm have of white folks. Patronising to anyone not bame.
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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jun 20 7.21am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
So even a plaque explaining the artwork isn’t enough. I would like to know how many complaints have been received. I gave up on the National Trust after they banned "Easter" and outed the deceased owner of one of their houses who according to family and friends never wanted that. The National Trust volunteers are good people who care about our heritage and environment unfortunately the management is now "lefty HQ" and more interested in politics which is why many volunteers have left.
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dannyboy1978 13 Jun 20 7.35am | |
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Oh, so if you have another view your a toxic blowhard.
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Eaglecoops CR3 13 Jun 20 7.56am | |
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Disgraceful. If ever something is designed to widen the gap then this is it. Reads like they want a war, not remove racism.
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 20 8.20am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
TBF Islam along with the East had a far bigger role to play in our evolution into a ‘civilised’ world than most western education portrays Propaganda works both ways. You can find an angle here and find an equivalent there Essentially every culture or civilisation was built upon the slave trade in some form or another, and really it simply depends on what area of the world you’re in as to the demographic that it affects the most. Ultimately, it’s important to always be prepared to challenge history, rather than just accept it or dismiss it as ‘back in the day’. It’s not as simplistic as this, but there is an element of reap what you sow going on. I’m not condoning the more extreme ends of it, or the lack of balance in how it’s been portrayed in some cases, but ultimately it comes down to what it always comes down to - how recent is the memory? How deep do the scars run? Are they a shared cultural pain, passed on for generations? Tick all those boxes and increase minority demographics and your karma is here. I suppose what I’m saying is you can’t just dismiss this, brush it off or play the ‘it happened ages ago’ card. But at the same time you can’t hold people of the ‘now’ accountable for past actions. But you can test them once in a while to see if they’ve learnt from the mistakes of the past - and quarrel with bronzed up idols being celebrated in a square rather than taught about and viewed in a more balanced way. I have no idea where the line is, but some of ‘our’ cultural icons should be reappraised, or at the very least exposed to create healthy debate about our previously held, perhaps ignorant views about them. And why not? Anything else is simply rewriting history for the sake of avoiding the debate. Should every statue be pulled down? No. Should we decide to have a long hard think about our actual history? The one that unobjectively lays bare the truth rather than hides it through western flavoured teachings? I’m more interested in that version, please. The actual facts rather than what really can be equated to religious teachings (all countries and cultures are guilty of this of course, but it really annoys me when people don’t even think to challenge what they’ve been taught). True, but that was before it banned books and regressed. I'm not sure this is about whether certain figures are worthy of statues but if those in authority should be pandering to irrational thinking. History cannot be undone. Removing statues is not a decision for an angry mob. It should be decided democratically either via parliament or by referendum.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Jun 20 8.53am | |
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How to think or you’re not accepted. Just fvck off. Luckily it’s only a minority brainwashed into this bullsh1t. Sadly though, the ‘Churchill was racist’ social media comments have been going for a couple of years and will keep growing. Oh and they’re not going to have much work or their career preference for a few years.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Jun 20 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Who is "we"? From your point of view, god knows. Not sure I want to know From mine, everyone. The royal we. It should be a democratic process. History should constantly be reappraised, reexamined and challenged by those in the present. But a rational ‘everyone’. Not the lunatic fringe from the left, right, centre, BLM or FLA. That said, people have a right to protest - and often a reason. If others don’t listen, dismiss or belittle or at least take time to acknowledge, things often continue to escalate. Standard pattern. It’s not like any of this is going to get solved anytime soon by rational thought
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 20 8.55am | |
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I found this piece interesting as it introduced a new perspective on these issues and as a consequence is thought provoking :-
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 20 9.19am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I found this piece interesting as it introduced a new perspective on these issues and as a consequence is thought provoking :- What this shows is that when you throw a whole load of races, creeds and religions together, they don't get on. What a shocker. A pity the idiot politicians of this country didn't get their faces out of the trough and learn a lesson from America. Humans create division. It is what they do.
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Spiderman Horsham 13 Jun 20 9.21am | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Oh, so if you have another view your a toxic blowhard. Never listened to it. Best approach would be for people to do the same. Presumably they have advertising, if no-one listens advertisers will withdraw funding... simples.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 20 9.42am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What this shows is that when you throw a whole load of races, creeds and religions together, they don't get on. What a shocker. A pity the idiot politicians of this country didn't get their faces out of the trough and learn a lesson from America. Humans create division. It is what they do. No, it doesn't. I suggest you re-read it. It's not what happened in the USA. Races, creeds and religions weren't "thrown together". Most were obliterated and their cultural roots destroyed. People were given entirely new and false identities which categorised them as sub-human. It is this which has resulted in the chaos of today and is absolutely the wrong model to be imitated here. The comparison with the way Germany has handled Nazism is particularly telling I think. Identifying the fact that Trump has magnified the problem after Obama had begun to ameliorate it is also interesting.
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dannyboy1978 13 Jun 20 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, it doesn't. I suggest you re-read it. It's not what happened in the USA. Races, creeds and religions weren't "thrown together". Most were obliterated and their cultural roots destroyed. People were given entirely new and false identities which categorised them as sub-human. It is this which has resulted in the chaos of today and is absolutely the wrong model to be imitated here. The comparison with the way Germany has handled Nazism is particularly telling I think. Identifying the fact that Trump has magnified the problem after Obama had begun to ameliorate it is also interesting. It's interesting though that the countries with multi cultural populations tend to be the most racist. Apparently. What does that tell you?
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