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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 05 Nov 14 8.41pm |
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What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
Still waiting for your reaction to the 20 billion that EU migrants have bought into EU coffers. Another question. If we leave the EU, should all ex pats living in the eurozone be repatriated? Should I lose the right to be able to move to another Eurozone country? That's not to say I'm happy with how the European union is being run at the moment, far from it. But I do feel it's better to try and fix it from within rather than just opt out. Edited by nickgusset (05 Nov 2014 8.43pm)
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What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
I thought the actual diversion was your reference to the matter in the first place in response to the poster's prior point about the £20 billion benefit accruing from EU immigration since EU enlargement in 2004 (the EU immigration most current immigration complainers complain about).Relevance of your diversion to his point: zero. But since you raised the diversion, I thought it deserved, since in its own separate right its a very valid point to raise (and be countered) re the EU,a reasoned answer. I would have hoped any response from you would have then addressed the actual point rather than going off into anti-EU generalisations and rhetoric. So any comments about the £20 billion benefit from EU immigrants welcomed, or any reasoned argument on point about UK government wasteful spending. But, in terms of going off on a new side bar, no thanks. So, let's just say I completely accept, understand and respect that in your view the EU is a complete and utter waste of time, end of. No need to say more. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.01pm)
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 matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 8.52pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 8.41pm
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Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
Still waiting for your reaction to the 20 billion that EU migrants have bought into EU coffers. Another question. If we leave the EU, should all ex pats living in the eurozone be repatriated? Should I lose the right to be able to move to another Eurozone country? That's not to say I'm happy with how the European union is being run at the moment, far from it. But I do feel it's better to try and fix it from within rather than just opt out. Edited by nickgusset (05 Nov 2014 8.43pm) I was using the phrase to parody you Gusset. The 20 billion claim appears to be spurious and open for debate. There is s*** loads of stuff on the net stating whether its correct or not. You're a big boy and whilst I am not having cigarette, you can look them up and make your mind up. See, we can both be as lazy as each other. So your argument for staying in the EU is that we will lose embassy's. Interesting. The UK has one of the Worlds largest network of embassies of any country in the World. Where would you be, on your oft mentioned teachers pittance, that would necessitate the need of an embassy outside of the UK's embassy sphere? More to the point, what would you be doing in those countries to necessitate embassy assistance? How would you fix the EU from within when it is ruled by a Franco-German axis who resist UK influence at every attempt by the UK to assert itself? Would you start a Facebook campaign and try to make the EU follow your desire when enough likes are garnered? Or perhaps you will sell those bracelets things with some meaningless slogan like 'I used to be NO2EU and often am when it suits me but in order to justify my rudderless and baseless politics I support the EU for a bit now'? With regard to leaving the EU, nothig is set in stone because it will be negotiated at the time. Yes, there would be negotiation. The likes of the Swiss and the Norwegians get around ok and they aren't part of the EU. Why could that not be the case in the UK? Why not Gusset?
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 9.05pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 05 Nov 2014 8.50pm
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What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
I thought the actual diversion was your reference to the matter in the first place in response to the poster's prior point about the £20 billion benefit accruing from EU immigration since EU enlargement in 2004 (the EU immigration most current immigration complainers complain about).Relevance of your diversion to his point: zero. But since you raised the diversion, I thought it deserved, since in its own separate right its a very valid point to raise (and be countered) re the EU,a reasoned answer. I would have hoped any response from you would have then addressed the actual point rather than going off into anti-EU generalisations and rhetoric. So any comments about the £20 billion benefit from EU immigrants welcomed, or any reasoned argument on point about UK government wasteful spending. But, in terms of going off on a new side bar, no thanks. So, let's just say I completely accept, understand and respect that in your view the EU is a complete and utter waste of time, end of. No need to say more. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.01pm)
Thank you for allowing me to participate in the same debates as you, with you engaging in this exercise full well in the knowledge that common folk like I are not on the same intellectual level as you.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Nov 14 9.12pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 8.52pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 8.41pm
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 8.32pm
Quote legaleagle at 05 Nov 2014 8.23pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
Still waiting for your reaction to the 20 billion that EU migrants have bought into EU coffers. Another question. If we leave the EU, should all ex pats living in the eurozone be repatriated? Should I lose the right to be able to move to another Eurozone country? That's not to say I'm happy with how the European union is being run at the moment, far from it. But I do feel it's better to try and fix it from within rather than just opt out. Edited by nickgusset (05 Nov 2014 8.43pm) I was using the phrase to parody you Gusset. The 20 billion claim appears to be spurious and open for debate. There is s*** loads of stuff on the net stating whether its correct or not. You're a big boy and whilst I am not having cigarette, you can look them up and make your mind up. See, we can both be as lazy as each other. So your argument for staying in the EU is that we will lose embassy's. Interesting. The UK has one of the Worlds largest network of embassies of any country in the World. Where would you be, on your oft mentioned teachers pittance, that would necessitate the need of an embassy outside of the UK's embassy sphere? More to the point, what would you be doing in those countries to necessitate embassy assistance? How would you fix the EU from within when it is ruled by a Franco-German axis who resist UK influence at every attempt by the UK to assert itself? Would you start a Facebook campaign and try to make the EU follow your desire when enough likes are garnered? Or perhaps you will sell those bracelets things with some meaningless slogan like 'I used to be NO2EU and often am when it suits me but in order to justify my rudderless and baseless politics I support the EU for a bit now'? With regard to leaving the EU, nothig is set in stone because it will be negotiated at the time. Yes, there would be negotiation. The likes of the Swiss and the Norwegians get around ok and they aren't part of the EU. Why could that not be the case in the UK? Why not Gusset?
Total bum gravy Himself. Made me laugh it really did.
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| legaleagle 05 Nov 14 9.15pm |
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Many thanks for your kind words One things for sure, I'm certainly not on your level when it comes to needlessly personalising posts rather than engaging in reasoned argument like most other posters, of whatever political persuasion Going back to the actual recent point of the thread, the report about the £20 billion economic benefit from EU immigration comes from two academics based at University College, London, not a political grouping or pressure group. Here's a link to the University's summary of the report. Seems to me not something that can be dismissed out of hand without addressing the actual specific points they make.
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.I hope your seeming lack of self-esteem improves swiftly.
| legaleagle 05 Nov 14 9.16pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 9.05pm
Quote legaleagle at 05 Nov 2014 8.50pm
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 8.32pm
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Quote nickgusset at 05 Nov 2014 6.43am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Nov 2014 1.01am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Nov 2014 11.51pm
What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
I thought the actual diversion was your reference to the matter in the first place in response to the poster's prior point about the £20 billion benefit accruing from EU immigration since EU enlargement in 2004 (the EU immigration most current immigration complainers complain about).Relevance of your diversion to his point: zero. But since you raised the diversion, I thought it deserved, since in its own separate right its a very valid point to raise (and be countered) re the EU,a reasoned answer. I would have hoped any response from you would have then addressed the actual point rather than going off into anti-EU generalisations and rhetoric. So any comments about the £20 billion benefit from EU immigrants welcomed, or any reasoned argument on point about UK government wasteful spending. But, in terms of going off on a new side bar, no thanks. So, let's just say I completely accept, understand and respect that in your view the EU is a complete and utter waste of time, end of. No need to say more. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.01pm)
Thank you for allowing me to participate in the same debates as you, with you engaging in this exercise full well in the knowledge that common folk like I are not on the same intellectual level as you. Many thanks for your kind words Going back to the actual recent point of the thread, the report about the £20 billion economic benefit from EU immigration comes from two academics based at University College, London, not a political grouping or pressure group. Here's a link to the University's summary of the report. Seems to me not something that can be dismissed out of hand without addressing the actual specific points they make. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.20pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 9.20pm |
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What do UKIP supporters make of the report in the independent that eu migrants have bought in over 20 billion to UK coffers in recent years?
I don't think you can. What about the 20 billion that eu migrants have bought into this country in tax? No sensible person could defend that waste and those responsible for oversight need to collectively get their act together right now. But I'm not sure in itself its an argument for quitting the EU on the basis we would do things so much better ourselves.The link below indicates our own government-related wasted spending record is hardly a shining example to contrast with those bureaucrats in Brussels. The figures are lower but the EU budget covers spending relating to 28 member countries.
Why can't you lefties just admit that the European project has failed, has f***ed up at least two generations of Europeans and address what even most of your moderate and loony fringe know is enevitable - as the Euro system is f***ed, it can't be saved and therefore it will be scrapped? Every step is a move to justify this juggernaut of corruption and piss poor social engineering. Why? I assume it is only because you instinctively hate the likes of UKIP and therefore have to oppose them. Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2014 8.32pm)
I thought the actual diversion was your reference to the matter in the first place in response to the poster's prior point about the £20 billion benefit accruing from EU immigration since EU enlargement in 2004 (the EU immigration most current immigration complainers complain about).Relevance of your diversion to his point: zero. But since you raised the diversion, I thought it deserved, since in its own separate right its a very valid point to raise (and be countered) re the EU,a reasoned answer. I would have hoped any response from you would have then addressed the actual point rather than going off into anti-EU generalisations and rhetoric. So any comments about the £20 billion benefit from EU immigrants welcomed, or any reasoned argument on point about UK government wasteful spending. But, in terms of going off on a new side bar, no thanks. So, let's just say I completely accept, understand and respect that in your view the EU is a complete and utter waste of time, end of. No need to say more. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.01pm)
Thank you for allowing me to participate in the same debates as you, with you engaging in this exercise full well in the knowledge that common folk like I are not on the same intellectual level as you. Many thanks for your kind words One things for sure, I'm certainly not on your level when it comes to needlessly personalising posts rather than engaging in reasoned argument like most other posters, of whatever political persuasion Going back to the actual recent point of the thread, the report about the £20 billion economic benefit from EU immigration comes from two academics based at University College, London, not a political grouping or pressure group. Here's a link to the University's summary of the report. Seems to me not something that can be dismissed out of hand without addressing the actual specific points they make. Many thanks for your kind words.I hope your seeming lack of self-esteem improves swiftly. One things for sure, I'm certainly not on your level when it comes to needlessly personalising posts rather than engaging in reasoned argument like most other posters, of whatever political persuasion Going back to the actual recent point of the thread, the report about the £20 billion economic benefit from EU immigration comes from two academics based at University College, London, not a political grouping or pressure group. Here's a link to the University's summary of the report. Seems to me not something that can be dismissed out of hand without addressing the actual specific points they make. Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.18pm) Hilarious! You personalised your previous post to me in a very patronising manner. The last paragraph, if you need assistance in locating it.
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| legaleagle 05 Nov 14 9.22pm |
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Yes, but as I said, I am no match for you in that regard and my personalisation related directly to what you had written. And you are very sensitive for someone with such a track record of dishing it out. I wasn't patronising you in the slightest. Just stating a reasonable summary of your views and my lack of desire to go off on a sidebar rather than the specific issues people had been discussing in the past 24 hours. Learn to absorb it as well as dishing it. Back to the £20 billion now? Edited by legaleagle (05 Nov 2014 9.28pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Nov 14 9.27pm |
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Yes, but as I said, I am no match for you in that regard and my personalisation related directly to what you had written.
Goodnight.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Nov 14 9.30pm |
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Yes, but as I said, I am no match for you in that regard and my personalisation related directly to what you had written.
Goodnight. Please answer whether you'd be happy that Brits wouldn't be allowed free access to healthcare and other benefits across the European union if we leave the EU before you go night nights.
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