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 Stirlingsays  12 Dec 18 8.37am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The rough with the smooth If need be.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 18 9.00am |
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Mrs May could be facing two different votes of confidence. A Labour shadow secretary yesterday indicated that Corbyn will call a vote of no confidence before Christmas. This in addition to the Tory party challenge. There are new rules for a vote of no confidence in a government so worth explaining as this is uncharted territory. The opposition can only call for a vote of no confidence once a year so for Corbyn timing is everything. If she loses that vote it means that the DUP and or some Tory rebels have voted against her or abstained. After a defeat the government has 14 days in which to reverse the defeat presumably by persuading the rebels to change their mind. If that fails the options are: - The PM (Queen) calls a General Election So the Tory party has to make some decisions. Will Mrs May survive both votes of no confidence? If she stays and loses the parliamentary vote will that hand Corbyn a General Election win. Would it be better to dump Mrs May and if they do will this deter Labour from calling a vote. If the vote still goes ahead will the new Tory (temporary) leader have a better chance of winning it than May. As for Labour for now they will sit tight and watch this mess unfold whilst trying to sound out the DUP in the hope they can get them to switch sides or stay neutral. Finally if a General Election is called it will almost certainly mean the Brexit date being delayed. The voters might: - Punish Mrs May for not delivering Brexit. - Or blame Corbyn for forcing a General Election that they didn't want and thus delaying Brexit.
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| Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 9.10am |
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I can't see May losing today's vote and so unless she decides to go of her own volition it's good ship Theresa from this point on it. It's looking like either a No Deal or a second vote, as Theresa can't negotiate her way out of a paper bag. Of that I'm sure we can all agree.
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| Midlands Eagle 12 Dec 18 9.16am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Would it be better to dump Mrs May and if they do will this deter Labour from calling a vote. If the vote still goes ahead will the new Tory (temporary) leader have a better chance of winning it than May. If Mrs May resigns probably only Boris Johnson would have a better chance of winning a General Election as he is still immensely popular amongst the electorate but I don't know who would f*** up the country more Johnson or Corbyn Hopefully the MPS will see that and back Mrs May
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 18 9.31am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If Mrs May resigns probably only Boris Johnson would have a better chance of winning a General Election as he is still immensely popular amongst the electorate but I don't know who would f*** up the country more Johnson or Corbyn Hopefully the MPS will see that and back Mrs May I don't want Corbyn. There is simply no credible middle ground at the moment. Things just keep getting worse. And it isn't only the UK either. I should have stayed in Prague or Bratislava. Oh no, wait ....
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cryrst  The garden of England 12 Dec 18 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If need be. So why are you against the deal then if you say take the rough with the smooth.
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| silvertop Portishead 12 Dec 18 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Tawny
I can't see May losing today's vote and so unless she decides to go of her own volition it's good ship Theresa from this point on it. It's looking like either a No Deal or a second vote, as Theresa can't negotiate her way out of a paper bag. Of that I'm sure we can all agree. No we cant all agree that. She is durable, tough, has a strong sense of duty and has been unfairly maligned. She did as well as any other leader faced with 27 opposing countries who would rather we did not leave; and who want to ensure that we don't start an avalanche of countries also jumping ship knowing they can get a cracking exit deal. I am interested to know who you think would have negotiated better? I imagine you would back one of the right of the tory party? A lemming who would rather lead us into the potential horrors of a no deal cliff edge arrangement than countenance a sensible compromise?
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| Lyons550 Shirley 12 Dec 18 9.38am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As others have said a 2nd referendum won't resolve anything for two reasons. 1. There will be no consensus on what we are voting for, so before a vote has been cast one side will feel aggrieved. Are we voting on how we Brexit or is it a re-run of the 2016 vote? Or something else entirely? 2. I suspect the result will be close what if it is a repeat of 2016 and the leavers just win it. Will the Remainers shut up or call foul, I rather think the latter. I don't see a scenario where a 2nd referdum solves anything it just prolongs the agony. Now after we leave another referendum in say 5-10 years time if the people want it makes sense as it will be a binary choice. Do we re-join the EU.
Should there be a 2nd vote i'd be done with Politics
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| DANGERCLOSE London 12 Dec 18 9.42am |
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Get a Brexiteer in and face up to the EU. They will do a better deal.
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| silvertop Portishead 12 Dec 18 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't want Corbyn. There is simply no credible middle ground at the moment. Things just keep getting worse. And it isn't only the UK either. I should have stayed in Prague or Bratislava. Oh no, wait .... For a non Tory I have become quite a fan of Theresa. However, tonight will bruise her; but not kill her. As you allude - her greatest weapon: the absence of anyone else.
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| silvertop Portishead 12 Dec 18 9.46am |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
Get a Brexiteer in and face up to the EU. They will do a better deal. Nope. They won't budge them an inch. Showboating, insults and puerile sabre-rattling will only result in national humiliation... probably followed by that cliff edge. Also, have we not already tried sending in Brexiteers to do the deal?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 18 9.47am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
For a non Tory I have become quite a fan of Theresa. However, tonight will bruise her; but not kill her. As you allude - her greatest weapon: the absence of anyone else. For sure.
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