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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 12.10am
Originally posted by steve1984 Ah OK. There been a misunderstanding. Matov claimed "We are still a big economy on our own" The 3% is the UK's share of global GDP, which I argue isn't a big number when negotiating trade deals with countries or trade blocks that are as much as 5 to 8 times larger. The EU's share is spread over 27 countries and 28 while we are there...So the benefit of that is spread much much wider.....and some might say disproportionately helps the German and French economies....especially the German.....because basically the Euro is the Mark. The UK's share is focused upon one country...or would be...It's not really an argument to make. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 12.20am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 12.10am

Originally posted by steve1984

Ah OK. There been a misunderstanding.

Matov claimed "We are still a big economy on our own"

The 3% is the UK's share of global GDP, which I argue isn't a big number when negotiating trade deals with countries or trade blocks that are as much as 5 to 8 times larger.

The EU's share is spread over 27 countries and 28 while we are there...So the benefit of that is spread much much wider.....and some might say disproportionately helps the German and French economies....especially the German.....because basically the Euro is the Mark.

The UK's share is focused upon one country...or would be...It's not really an argument to make.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 12.20am)

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steve1984 12 Dec 18 12.22am
Have you ever tried negotiating a deal for 3% of a commodity when some of your competitors have as much as 25%? I have and the deal you're gonna get isn't going to be anything like as good as the party with the 25%. Lower prices, worse payment terms, shorter order deadlines, more punitive cancellation clauses etc. It's capitalism. You can say it's "not really an argument to make" but you're probably better off just labelling me as something negative. It's a lot quicker. Edited by steve1984 (12 Dec 2018 12.22am)
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steve1984 12 Dec 18 12.22am

Have you ever tried negotiating a deal for 3% of a commodity when some of your competitors have as much as 25%?

I have and the deal you're gonna get isn't going to be anything like as good as the party with the 25%.

Lower prices, worse payment terms, shorter order deadlines, more punitive cancellation clauses etc.

It's capitalism.

You can say it's "not really an argument to make" but you're probably better off just labelling me as something negative. It's a lot quicker.

Edited by steve1984 (12 Dec 2018 12.22am)

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steve1984 12 Dec 18 12.26am
When we go out and sell guns to the Saudis, they can buy off the Americans, the French & the Israelis just as easily. But if the Americans say "buy these guns or we going to order more oil from Iran and cut our order from you" then you're gonna buy the American's guns. It's really not very complicated.
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steve1984 12 Dec 18 12.26am

When we go out and sell guns to the Saudis, they can buy off the Americans, the French & the Israelis just as easily. But if the Americans say "buy these guns or we going to order more oil from Iran and cut our order from you" then you're gonna buy the American's guns.

It's really not very complicated.

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 12.40am
Originally posted by steve1984 Have you ever tried negotiating a deal for 3% of a commodity when some of your competitors have as much as 25%? I have and the deal you're gonna get isn't going to be anything like as good as the party with the 25%. Lower prices, worse payment terms, shorter order deadlines, more punitive cancellation clauses etc. It's capitalism. You can say it's "not really an argument to make" but you're probably better off just labelling me as something negative. It's a lot quicker. Edited by steve1984 (12 Dec 2018 12.22am) It depends.....Being a competitor to the EU gives advantages and disadvantages. It's too simplistic to automatically assume that larger organizations have advantages without also recognising the disadvantages....again it's about scale. The UK only needs to bat for itself. The world is a huge place and the EU has many problems internally. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 12.41am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 12.40am

Originally posted by steve1984

Have you ever tried negotiating a deal for 3% of a commodity when some of your competitors have as much as 25%?

I have and the deal you're gonna get isn't going to be anything like as good as the party with the 25%.

Lower prices, worse payment terms, shorter order deadlines, more punitive cancellation clauses etc.

It's capitalism.

You can say it's "not really an argument to make" but you're probably better off just labelling me as something negative. It's a lot quicker.

Edited by steve1984 (12 Dec 2018 12.22am)

It depends.....Being a competitor to the EU gives advantages and disadvantages. It's too simplistic to automatically assume that larger organizations have advantages without also recognising the disadvantages....again it's about scale. The UK only needs to bat for itself.

The world is a huge place and the EU has many problems internally.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 12.41am)

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 12.47am
Originally posted by steve1984 When we go out and sell guns to the Saudis, they can buy off the Americans, the French & the Israelis just as easily. But if the Americans say "buy these guns or we going to order more oil from Iran and cut our order from you" then you're gonna buy the American's guns. It's really not very complicated. Funny that you choose an example that would never happen in our lifetimes. There are plenty of examples of stand alone economies around the world who do very well.....Japan for example. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.00am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 12.47am

Originally posted by steve1984

It's really not very complicated.

Funny that you choose an example that would never happen in our lifetimes.

There are plenty of examples of stand alone economies around the world who do very well.....Japan for example.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.00am)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Dec 18 2.50am
Originally posted by Matov I disagree. We are still a big economy on our own, we have a superb infrastructure in place for absorbing exports, we enjoy a great deal of 'soft' power in terms of our culture being still held in high regard. Plus we can move quick. And that matters. Would a nation rather almost do a deal with the EU or get tied up for years, maybe even decades because it requires 26 nations to agree or will it decide to sit down with the UK and hammer something out? It is not an either or situation. That is the point. We can have Brazillian beef or African fruits and vegetables on our shelves in a matter of months. I would personally like us to declare a unilateral zero tariff regime but I suspect that will not happen. I’d agree with you if it only took ‘a matter of months’ to strike a WTO based trade deal. But the facts don’t lie. The average WTO trade agreement takes years of negotiation. What’s the plan in the meantime? Make do and mend? Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 12 Dec 18 2.50am

Originally posted by Matov

I disagree. We are still a big economy on our own, we have a superb infrastructure in place for absorbing exports, we enjoy a great deal of 'soft' power in terms of our culture being still held in high regard. Plus we can move quick. And that matters. Would a nation rather almost do a deal with the EU or get tied up for years, maybe even decades because it requires 26 nations to agree or will it decide to sit down with the UK and hammer something out? It is not an either or situation. That is the point. We can have Brazillian beef or African fruits and vegetables on our shelves in a matter of months. I would personally like us to declare a unilateral zero tariff regime but I suspect that will not happen.

I’d agree with you if it only took ‘a matter of months’ to strike a WTO based trade deal. But the facts don’t lie. The average WTO trade agreement takes years of negotiation.

What’s the plan in the meantime? Make do and mend?

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Dec 18 5.53am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So what? Are forums meant to be full of helpful comments then? You take the rough with the smooth....no one is forced to engage. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 11.20pm) The rough with the smooth Does that include the brexit deal we have?
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The garden of England 12 Dec 18 5.53am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what? Are forums meant to be full of helpful comments then? You take the rough with the smooth....no one is forced to engage.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 11.20pm)

The rough with the smooth
Does that include the brexit deal we have?

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Pussay Patrol 12 Dec 18 5.58am
Originally posted by Matov Can anybody tell me why countries would not want a trade deal with the UK? Why would they not want to sell us their products? The EU is a moribund, stagnant, organisation that is in long-term decline. The Euro is wrecking more lives in Europe than anything else it has experienced since the Wehrmacht decided to take a little stroll around it. Italy is sticking two fingers up at it and has a leader enjoying a popularity that their little cheerleaders like Macron can only dream of. It is imploding. And we are best off out of it, asap. Rotten to its very core. Of course they would want a trade deal, the market is still there. But again the overriding question is would any trade deal be better than the deal we already have by being in the EU? Who would give us better terms on our own than as part of the EU? btw I think you're wrong about the EU, the UK is hardly a progressive beast of an economy, look at the personal debt levels, poverty, lack of state owned utlities, even sold our gold reserves. Brexit plus inevitable interest rate rises and inflation AND on the back of 10 years of austerity is going to absolutely kill us. Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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12 Dec 18 5.58am

Originally posted by Matov

Can anybody tell me why countries would not want a trade deal with the UK? Why would they not want to sell us their products?

The EU is a moribund, stagnant, organisation that is in long-term decline. The Euro is wrecking more lives in Europe than anything else it has experienced since the Wehrmacht decided to take a little stroll around it. Italy is sticking two fingers up at it and has a leader enjoying a popularity that their little cheerleaders like Macron can only dream of.

It is imploding. And we are best off out of it, asap. Rotten to its very core.

Of course they would want a trade deal, the market is still there. But again the overriding question is would any trade deal be better than the deal we already have by being in the EU?

Who would give us better terms on our own than as part of the EU?

btw I think you're wrong about the EU, the UK is hardly a progressive beast of an economy, look at the personal debt levels, poverty, lack of state owned utlities, even sold our gold reserves. Brexit plus inevitable interest rate rises and inflation AND on the back of 10 years of austerity is going to absolutely kill us.

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Dec 18 6.12am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Of course they would want a trade deal, the market is still there. But again the overriding question is would any trade deal be better than the deal we already have by being in the EU? Who would give us better terms on our own than as part of the EU? btw I think you're wrong about the EU, the UK is hardly a progressive beast of an economy, look at the personal debt levels, poverty, lack of state owned utlities, even sold our gold reserves. Brexit plus inevitable interest rate rises and inflation AND on the back of 10 years of austerity is going to absolutely kill us. Mmmm A party political broadcast. Cause and effect and by whom
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The garden of England 12 Dec 18 6.12am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Of course they would want a trade deal, the market is still there. But again the overriding question is would any trade deal be better than the deal we already have by being in the EU?

Who would give us better terms on our own than as part of the EU?

Mmmm
A party political broadcast.
Cause and effect and by whom

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Pussay Patrol 12 Dec 18 7.30am
Originally posted by cryrst Mmmm A party political broadcast. Cause and effect and by whom Prove me wrong, show me an economic benefit Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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12 Dec 18 7.30am

Originally posted by cryrst

Mmmm
A party political broadcast.
Cause and effect and by whom

Prove me wrong, show me an economic benefit

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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