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W12 04 Mar 22 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Stop asking logical, pertinent and common sense championing questions, for Cryst sake! You're ruining the show!!! Where is the evidence of increased hospital admissions and when?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 22 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
What the actual f*** are you talking about? That question would be better addressed to yourself. The specific point I highlighted, and there are others that fit the same category of being wrong, was your claim that the vaccines are "experimental gene therapies". They aren't gene therapies, nor are they experimental. There are loads of explanations on this readily accessible on the web. Just It's recycling conspiracy theories which is dangerous, not benefitting from vaccines.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Mar 22 12.15pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Where is the evidence of increased hospital admissions and when? Firstly, I have already mentioned this numerous times but one of my local crackheads is well informed on the matter and has kept me updated with regards to what is going on. Stop getting on your high horse just because yours is on Twitter. There's that.. and the fact I spent 10 months in hospital last year (non-COVID), my auntie is a nurse and my cousin works within a COVID ward in what medical capacity I forget but she has a PhD, you know, or summink. I have long been suspicious of the news and stories they provide me and fear they are part of a secret cabal plotting to other-throw mankind however on this occasion I am inclined to listen as their bonkers anecdotes seem slightly more realistic than usual.
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W12 04 Mar 22 12.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That question would be better addressed to yourself. The specific point I highlighted, and there are others that fit the same category of being wrong, was your claim that the vaccines are "experimental gene therapies". They aren't gene therapies, nor are they experimental. There are loads of explanations on this readily accessible on the web. Just It's recycling conspiracy theories which is dangerous, not benefitting from vaccines.
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W12 04 Mar 22 12.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Firstly, I have already mentioned this numerous times but one of my local crackheads is well informed on the matter and has kept me updated with regards to what is going on. Stop getting on your high horse just because yours is on Twitter. There's that.. and the fact I spent 10 months in hospital last year (non-COVID), my auntie is a nurse and my cousin works within a COVID ward in what medical capacity I forget but she has a PhD, you know, or summink. I have long been suspicious of the news and stories they provide me and fear they are part of a secret cabal plotting to other-throw mankind however on this occasion I am inclined to listen as their bonkers anecdotes seem slightly more realistic than usual. So no evidence.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Mar 22 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Where is the evidence of increased hospital admissions and when? Well the most dangerous covid is on the way out and hospital admissions are a lot lower. You can check out the historical numbers but I fear you will throw the curved ball. BTW why are you so anti vaccine ?
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Mar 22 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
So no evidence. Well there's fact and figures including my own very personal experience of the pandemic however I thought that may be a little too high brow for this interaction and therefore perhaps unfair. If you are trying to goad me into delving into the world wide.. just to get some evidence to contradict your own I am sorry but I actually come onto this forum to distract me from the actual work I am supposed to be during doing the day and talk about things which are usually an amusement for me... that and the to appease the social isolation I feel from WFH all week. Here's a better shout, why don't you produce some absolute empirical evidence to prove: 1. The pandemic is purely manufactured by the powers that be Then and only then I will be inclined to believe to engage with any sincerity. For now, I will just occasionally pop in to amuse myself, perhaps post something of note or just quite plainly take the p!55 which you have provided adequate firepower for. I've got some actual work to do for now, which I am sure seems a ludicrous proposition but it does pay for my house, feeding my family so on so forth but perhaps most importantly my subscription to sky and BT Sports etc. but will see you this afternoon
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W12 04 Mar 22 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Well there's fact and figures including my own very personal experience of the pandemic however I thought that may be a little too high brow for this interaction and therefore perhaps unfair. If you are trying to goad me into delving into the world wide.. just to get some evidence to contradict your own I am sorry but I actually come onto this forum to distract me from the actual work I am supposed to be during doing the day and talk about things which are usually an amusement for me... that and the to appease the social isolation I feel from WFH all week. Here's a better shout, why don't you produce some absolute empirical evidence to prove: 1. The pandemic is purely manufactured by the powers that be Then and only then I will be inclined to believe to engage with any sincerity. For now, I will just occasionally pop in to amuse myself, perhaps post something of note or just quite plainly take the p!55 which you have provided adequate firepower for. I've got some actual work to do for now, which I am sure seems a ludicrous proposition but it does pay for my house, feeding my family so on so forth but perhaps most importantly my subscription to sky and BT Sports etc. but will see you this afternoon Nope, don't care about your "lived experience". You made a claim you cannot back up with evidence and I'm calling you out.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 22 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
You are another looking for straws to clutch to support a prejudice. I am not a specialist in this area, but I trust those who are. So whilst it's perfectly reasonable to examine and research everything it is not to reach conclusions which don't actually match the facts. This research is into "possibilities". Many things are possible. Most of them aren't true. Read this:- SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome The key statement from this being "Here, we examined the potential source of such chimeric reads and found that they are more likely to be a methodological product, than the result of genuine reverse transcription, integration, and expression." Also read this:-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221112472100961X This is even more dismissive. So the things found probably arise from the way the research was conducted. It's wise to check things. It's not to draw conclusions before the science is concluded. None of this though suggests anyone believes our DNA is being altered in any way. They are trying to understand why people still test positive long after a Covid infection and some research suggests this is because something is attaching itself to genes. Not altering them. Riding on them. Those who try to build mountains out of molehills will find they are destined to collapse pretty quickly.
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W12 04 Mar 22 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are another looking for straws to clutch to support a prejudice. I am not a specialist in this area, but I trust those who are. So whilst it's perfectly reasonable to examine and research everything it is not to reach conclusions which don't actually match the facts. This research is into "possibilities". Many things are possible. Most of them aren't true. Read this:- SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome The key statement from this being "Here, we examined the potential source of such chimeric reads and found that they are more likely to be a methodological product, than the result of genuine reverse transcription, integration, and expression." Also read this:-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221112472100961X This is even more dismissive. So the things found probably arise from the way the research was conducted. It's wise to check things. It's not to draw conclusions before the science is concluded. None of this though suggests anyone believes our DNA is being altered in any way. They are trying to understand why people still test positive long after a Covid infection and some research suggests this is because something is attaching itself to genes. Not altering them. Riding on them. Those who try to build mountains out of molehills will find they are destined to collapse pretty quickly. I actually posted the wrong link in hast, reverse transcription is still a theory but seems to have been proven at least in vitro. The point I was making is different in that it's gene therapy as it's working on a genetic level. mRNA contains genetic instructions for making various proteins. mRNA “vaccines” deliver a synthetic version of mRNA into your cells that carry the instruction to produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, the antigen, that then activates your immune system to produce antibodies. It's a gene therapy. They fulfill all the definitions of gene therapy and none of the definitions for a vaccine (where the definitions have not been changed to suit the manufacturers)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 22 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
I actually posted the wrong link in hast, reverse transcription is still a theory but seems to have been proven at least in vitro. The point I was making is different in that it's gene therapy as it's working on a genetic level. mRNA contains genetic instructions for making various proteins. mRNA “vaccines” deliver a synthetic version of mRNA into your cells that carry the instruction to produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, the antigen, that then activates your immune system to produce antibodies. It's a gene therapy. They fulfill all the definitions of gene therapy and none of the definitions for a vaccine (where the definitions have not been changed to suit the manufacturers) I think you need to read the first link I sent you, from start to finish, and then read it again. It explains very clearly why your description of how the vaccines work, which is accurate, is NOT "gene therapy". Gene therapy alters genes permanently. The vaccines don't. They trigger an immune response but don't change anything. It's just a new way of producing an old, and well understood, way to stimulate our immune system. Called vaccination.
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W12 04 Mar 22 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you need to read the first link I sent you, from start to finish, and then read it again. It explains very clearly why your description of how the vaccines work, which is accurate, is NOT "gene therapy". Gene therapy alters genes permanently. The vaccines don't. They trigger an immune response but don't change anything. It's just a new way of producing an old, and well understood, way to stimulate our immune system. Called vaccination. If it does not stop you getting a desease or passing it on it is not a vaccine. It does not provide immunity. It actually replaces your natural immune response with one that is genetically engineered.
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