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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 11.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nice try, Your agenda is clear for all to see. Find us an example of me calling someone a name. And let's be clear. I said your logic was garbage because your logic was garbage. I don’t have an agenda I just don’t understand why you have to be so bitter all the time. It spoils my enjoyment of a ferocious debate. If I am a school sneak I guess that is an admission of sorts that there is something to sneak on. It is yet another example of unpleasant labelling.
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 11.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
For the benefit of doubt I was referring to Hrolf I know I still don’t like labelling though.
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Matov 11 Dec 18 11.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Brexiteers are strange animals I've never known so many people feel so strongly and act so stubbornly about something whilst at the same time not really know what is or list one thing that we'll benefit from (unless you include reeling off Farage-isms like EU Shackles) To be fair, the 'shackles' narrative is the correct one. How can it be good for a country to have to rely on 26 others, with most of them smaller than the population of your capital city, to agree on anything before you can sign trade agreements and so on? By not joining up to the Euro, it is clear that we already have an advantage in being able to set out our own interest rates and so on so it makes sense to extend that to all our economic interests.
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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 18 11.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That’s another unhelpful label that I detest to be honest. Why?
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nice try, Your agenda is clear for all to see. Find us an example of me calling someone a name. Try this one. The very first post that you addressed directly to me. Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You seem to be suddenly posting a lot. Are you Gussett in disguise? He was a Labour rent boy. Pitiful.
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Why? Mainly because it's unhelpful. HTH
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Dec 18 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Pitiful. Stevie Nick(s)
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 11.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
To be fair, the 'shackles' narrative is the correct one. How can it be good for a country to have to rely on 26 others, with most of them smaller than the population of your capital city, to agree on anything before you can sign trade agreements and so on? By not joining up to the Euro, it is clear that we already have an advantage in being able to set out our own interest rates and so on so it makes sense to extend that to all our economic interests. We definitely dodged a bullet by not joining the Euro. But believing one country can do as good a trade deal as 28 borders on religious belief. Why on Earth would that be the case? Even getting the attention of governments eg of BRIC countries will be hard. We will be a long way behind the big blocs.
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 11.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
As a Remainer why do you think such a vocal group of people who shared your choice on June 23rd struggle with that? Of everything that has happened since the vote, it is their reaction that has puzzled / angered / sickened me the most. So why are they so willfully ignorant of that? Or do they simply not care? Well firstly I would say that the more vociferous leavers aren’t very magnanimous winners. But it’s unrealistic to expect magnanimity given the strength of feeling on both sides. Leavers have never felt very secure in their victory as May’s Government immediately began to back track on the promise to leave. So they found it necessary to continue making the case for leave and this provoked a response from disgruntled remainers. It’s probably also true to say that the more vociferous leavers are those with the more contentious views. We had a customer in the deli a few days after the referendum who rather sheepishly admitted to having voted leave. He was so inoffensive that I almost felt sorry for him. But those remainers who play the sovereignty card, frequently come across as the kind of knobs who sing “No Surrender!” at England matches. Nothing’s going to get on a decent card carrying Grauniad reader’s tits more than nationalist sentiment. It’s like oil and water, they just don’t mix. But there are also plenty of knobs on the remain side of the debate. What interests me more than the vitriol is how the nation, no, how the entire Western World became so divided? I have an opinion on the subject, which would undoubtedly generate more vitriol. So I won’t share it.
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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 18 11.19pm | |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Mainly because it's unhelpful. HTH
Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 11.20pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 11.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Why? We’ve discussed labelling theory before. It is simplistic and makes it easy to discount all of what is being said, even where there are parts that have good logic.
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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 18 11.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
We’ve discussed labelling theory before. It is simplistic and makes it easy to discount all of what is being said, even where there are parts that have good logic. Well, you've given your opinion on it.....other opinions are available of course.
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