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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 18 10.19pm
Originally posted by cryrst That is a bit strange that that you include the word 'until' as that means there will be ongoing talks for us to get more control. If it was scotland leaving the uk do you really think it would be ' ok see you later ,heres everything you want'. It would be ongoing. Brexit will happen fully but it wont and cant be nuclear. Somethings take time and this is massive. Remainers keep pointing out we will be worse off under the interim agreement. And yes you are correct about ongoing talks. France has already indicated it will not agree to us controlling our own fishing waters so what exactly has Mrs May achieved. We are paying for the privilege of not having a say in the EU until such time as the EU agrees we can leave and they will make us pay the price. As I said we should leave first which means we then have control and then we negotiate with the EU. One more point
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Beckenham 11 Dec 18 10.19pm

Originally posted by cryrst

That is a bit strange that that you include the word 'until' as that means there will be ongoing talks for us to get more control.
If it was scotland leaving the uk do you really think it would be ' ok see you later ,heres everything you want'.
It would be ongoing.
Brexit will happen fully but it wont and cant be nuclear.
Somethings take time and this is massive.

Remainers keep pointing out we will be worse off under the interim agreement. And yes you are correct about ongoing talks. France has already indicated it will not agree to us controlling our own fishing waters so what exactly has Mrs May achieved. We are paying for the privilege of not having a say in the EU until such time as the EU agrees we can leave and they will make us pay the price.

As I said we should leave first which means we then have control and then we negotiate with the EU.

One more point

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 10.21pm
Originally posted by cryrst It isnt though is it. Brexit in name is a brexiteers view. Time will tell. What if you get everything and slam the door shut. It might be better to keep some irons in the fire early doors incase certain aspects arnt what is expected and totally takes the uk down. Well Left wing/Remain commentators are also saying that the deal won't please the Leavers for the reason I have stated. I think you are suggesting that we basically stay as we are just in case properly leaving gets rough. Sounds like project fear lite.
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11 Dec 18 10.21pm

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Originally posted by cryrst

It isnt though is it.
Brexit in name is a brexiteers view.
Time will tell.
What if you get everything and slam the door shut.
It might be better to keep some irons in the fire early doors incase certain aspects arnt what is expected and totally takes the uk down.

Well Left wing/Remain commentators are also saying that the deal won't please the Leavers for the reason I have stated.

I think you are suggesting that we basically stay as we are just in case properly leaving gets rough.

Sounds like project fear lite.

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Matov 11 Dec 18 10.22pm
Sources claiming that the 48 letters are in. Fingers crossed. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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11 Dec 18 10.22pm

Sources claiming that the 48 letters are in. Fingers crossed.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.24pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Remainers keep pointing out we will be worse off under the interim agreement. And yes you are correct about ongoing talks. France has already indicated it will not agree to us controlling our own fishing waters so what exactly has Mrs May achieved. We are paying for the privilege of not having a say in the EU until such time as the EU agrees we can leave and they will make us pay the price. As I said we should leave first which means we then have control and then we negotiate with the EU. Im a remainer Its hapoening and was a close vote. Should remainers not be thought about as when the torys won the election before mays FU the labour party wasnt disbanded. Thats the scenario thats hapoening. If it had been like 80-20 in favour of leave then yes Shut the door and end of. It wasnt so needs to be fair to both lots of voters.
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The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.24pm

Originally posted by Badger11

As I said we should leave first which means we then have control and then we negotiate with the EU.

Im a remainer
Its hapoening and was a close vote.
Should remainers not be thought about as when the torys won the election before mays FU the labour party wasnt disbanded.
Thats the scenario thats hapoening.
If it had been like 80-20 in favour of leave then yes
Shut the door and end of.
It wasnt so needs to be fair to both lots of voters.

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.29pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well Left wing/Remain commentators are also saying that the deal won't please the Leavers for the reason I have stated. I think you are suggesting that we basically stay as we are just in case properly leaving gets rough. Sounds like project fear lite. No not at all. Go with whats there now. Then work forwards. The eu are not stupid.they know how important the uk is in europe and the world. They wont stiff us but have got to; as we would with the scots if they left still have an element of control early doors. Hand on heart a lot of leavers did it on immigration which also includes sovereignty etc. The border control has been agreed and we arnt going to be part of the supposed eu bigger picture.
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The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well Left wing/Remain commentators are also saying that the deal won't please the Leavers for the reason I have stated.

I think you are suggesting that we basically stay as we are just in case properly leaving gets rough.

Sounds like project fear lite.

No not at all.
Go with whats there now.
Then work forwards.
The eu are not stupid.they know how important the uk is in europe and the world.
They wont stiff us but have got to; as we would with the scots if they left still have an element of control early doors.
Hand on heart a lot of leavers did it on immigration which also includes sovereignty etc.
The border control has been agreed and we arnt going to be part of the supposed eu bigger picture.

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.31pm
Originally posted by Matov Sources claiming that the 48 letters are in. Fingers crossed. Shes got bigger balls than any of her male MPs Dont wish too hard as you might get what you wish for. And what will you do when she keeps her place then. Sulk?
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The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.31pm

Originally posted by Matov

Sources claiming that the 48 letters are in. Fingers crossed.

Shes got bigger balls than any of her male MPs
Dont wish too hard as you might get what you wish for.
And what will you do when she keeps her place then.
Sulk?

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.34pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Add hypocrisy to sockpuppetry and trolling on your rap sheet. Once again the most disruptive and accusatorial posters playing the victims. Do I take it you find me disruptive? If so, let me point out yet again it is pointless posting in an echo chamber On countless occasions you have told posters you don’t agree with to leave the HOL for the BBS. If you don’t approve of any views other than your own then simply stop posting I am not playing the victim which is typical newspeak designed to belittle through labelling. I am pointing out that you are serially unpleasant. It does not improve this site and the discussions within it. It is really rather miserable.
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Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Add hypocrisy to sockpuppetry and trolling on your rap sheet.

Once again the most disruptive and accusatorial posters playing the victims.

Do I take it you find me disruptive? If so, let me point out yet again it is pointless posting in an echo chamber

On countless occasions you have told posters you don’t agree with to leave the HOL for the BBS. If you don’t approve of any views other than your own then simply stop posting

I am not playing the victim which is typical newspeak designed to belittle through labelling. I am pointing out that you are serially unpleasant. It does not improve this site and the discussions within it. It is really rather miserable.

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Matov 11 Dec 18 10.35pm
Originally posted by cryrst Shes got bigger balls than any of her male MPs Dont wish too hard as you might get what you wish for. And what will you do when she keeps her place then. Sulk? She certainly has something and I agree, they should have moved against her ages ago. But if these reports are true, and the chatter now coming out seem to increasingly assured, then it could the end of a nightmare. And anything that follows her has to be a step in the right direction. Her deal was never going to pass and she simply lacks any credibility to bring any kind of closure to this Brexit issue. She has to go and go soon. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

11 Dec 18 10.35pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Shes got bigger balls than any of her male MPs
Dont wish too hard as you might get what you wish for.
And what will you do when she keeps her place then.
Sulk?

She certainly has something and I agree, they should have moved against her ages ago. But if these reports are true, and the chatter now coming out seem to increasingly assured, then it could the end of a nightmare.

And anything that follows her has to be a step in the right direction. Her deal was never going to pass and she simply lacks any credibility to bring any kind of closure to this Brexit issue. She has to go and go soon.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Pussay Patrol 11 Dec 18 10.42pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'. This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief. Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm) Trolling Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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11 Dec 18 10.42pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'.

This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief.

Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish.

Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm)

Trolling

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.50pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Trolling That’s another unhelpful label that I detest to be honest.
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Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.50pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Trolling

That’s another unhelpful label that I detest to be honest.

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Pussay Patrol 11 Dec 18 10.55pm
Brexiteers are strange animals I've never known so many people feel so strongly and act so stubbornly about something whilst at the same time not really know what is or list one thing that we'll benefit from (unless you include reeling off Farage-isms like EU Shackles) Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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11 Dec 18 10.55pm

Brexiteers are strange animals

I've never known so many people feel so strongly and act so stubbornly about something whilst at the same time not really know what is or list one thing that we'll benefit from (unless you include reeling off Farage-isms like EU Shackles)

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Pussay Patrol 11 Dec 18 10.56pm
Originally posted by Mapletree That’s another unhelpful label that I detest to be honest. For the benefit of doubt I was referring to Hrolf Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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11 Dec 18 10.56pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

That’s another unhelpful label that I detest to be honest.

For the benefit of doubt I was referring to Hrolf

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