Again, why was there no significant excess mortality in 2020 yet we now have rising excess mortality especially in younger age groups since we have had the "vaccines". There are many doctors/virologists/experts that have been predicting this since the "not vaccines" were rolled out and it's not a very pretty picture to say the least.

What gets me the insistence that governments, corporations etc wouldn't lie to you despite all the history of this repeatedly happening. Don't get the bloody vaccine!

Correct good post

Bold part is correct the rest is not.

The death rates you need to look at over a long period of time you can not compare last two years it does not work like this also factor in the error rate for a population of the UK this is 2%.

Again you have put all the vaccines into the same group claiming everyone of them is bad provide the evidence Novavax is?

Do I recommend them nope but if you must have one and are a person who is vulnerable Novavax is the only option I would ever consider the others which use the likes of mRNA stay well clear.

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I see you are the spokesperson for eaglesdare, probably as eaglesdare just isn't at the races on this topic.

Please explain when a vaccine isn't a vaccine

Now let's consider the 1,223 deaths. I am sure you know that they weren't CAUSED by the vaccination.

The CDC puts it this way

Recently, the number of deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination has been misinterpreted and misreported as if this number means deaths that were proven to be caused by vaccination. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

You will find similar comments relating to the UK's Yellow Card reporting system.

I am not sure how many Pfizer vaccinations had been performed at the time the figure of 1,223 deaths was determined, total vaccinations were over 100 million. It would be many millions having the Pfizer vaccine. Even if the deaths were caused by the vaccine it would be a tiny fraction of those given protection. But the truth is people die all the time, some coincidentally die after receiving a vaccination. You would need to do a great deal more work to understand how many deaths were caused - either directly or indirectly - by the vaccine.

Now reflect on the following statement from eaglesdare:

The report saying that that out of 42086 recipients of the trial vaccine that there was 1223 fatalities......

Media won't report on this tho they have a smoke screen in ww3

This kind of misleading nonsense is seriously dangerous and inevitably results in people dying unnecessarily. It has to be called out.

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Incorrect again

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Roughly my thinking.

The wording around it has always been 'deaths with COVID' as opposed to 'deaths from COVID'. In simplistic terms, you could be diagnosed with COVID and stabbed to death but would still be recorded in such a way. Similarly with the vaccine, you could receive the vaccine, as part of a trial more specifically, and be hit by a bus upon leaving the vaccination site - of course extreme theoretical examples but hopefully the point has been communicated.

I have stated previously my scepticism around everything including main stream media, but would point out that rubbishing main stream media without sufficient evidence as to a motive and proclaiming that any Joe Bloggs can easily research and scientifically prove a vaccine to be a mask for genocide or other spurious activity without coherently proving how, and again relying on equally or even more dubious sources, is contradictory to be kind.

I do love a good conspiracy no matter what the subject area, moon-landings, assassinations, corruption etc. but am quite able to enjoy it as entertainment or even thought provocation at most but am ultimately able to put it down and, you know, get on with my life. I would also consider it almost foolish to 'believe everything you read and hear' or not to consider the possible motives for the information you are being given.

I would also point out that upon reading the let's say pro-vaccination posts even on here, you experience it in a far different way to the anti-vax theories whereby a visceral feeling of someone screaming their post at you comes across.

I see a specialist for my condition, a professor not a doctor, at a hospital, within a department that can and has been described as 'world renowned' in it's capacity. I am willing to listen to my professor and heed her advice as do not feel it worthwhile, legal or productive to investigate whether or not she has any links to cabals or cults attempting to control and/or cull the world population. I have perhaps foolishly assumed that firstly she is actually a professor and secondly that she is able to digest and interpret medical information far better than I am although I am sure certain posters opinions would provide stiff competition. She says to still get vaccinated. I intend to.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Personally I remember things being more regularly referred to as 'covid deaths' in the media myself. The only time we got 'deaths with covid' was when people wanted more detail....that did happen but just how many people bothered to get into the weeds rather than look at headlines.

In my view that was part of the behavioural unit's remit.... the fact that behavioural units were there to manipulate mass response isn't a conspiracy theory.

In my view the impression people were left with was that the death totals were solid and not some approximation of covid impact but actual covid deaths.

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