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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 8.45pm
Originally posted by cryrst And that is in the current deal so why is it not for you. Because it appears to be a Brexit in name only. Any deal which barely changes our current situation and just removes the power of our vote inside Europe is useless. We have to go with no deal and see what Brussels does then.
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Originally posted by cryrst

And that is in the current deal so why is it not for you.

Because it appears to be a Brexit in name only. Any deal which barely changes our current situation and just removes the power of our vote inside Europe is useless.

We have to go with no deal and see what Brussels does then.

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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 18 8.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst And that is in the current deal so why is it not for you. Mrs May keeps telling us she has secured control over our borders and no ECJ interference, control over fishing rights etc. However none of this is true until the interim agreement is replaced by a trade deal which has yet to be agreed. Until then even after we "leave" we are still in the EU in all but name. When we negotiate the Trade deal the EU will try to control many aspects of our economy. We cannot threaten to just walk away as her deal does not have a termination clause. That is their trump card. I would prefer to leave next March and then negotiate a trade deal if the EU wants one. However I am pragmatic and would suffer another 2 years with this interim deal if it has an expiry date and an option to leave. That should concentrate the minds of both sides not to drag out a trade deal. Mrs May talks about the EU as a partner which is true but we are also business rivals so they want to punish us for leaving but also to ensure we cannot out compete them. Edited by Badger11 (11 Dec 2018 9.00pm) One more point
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Beckenham 11 Dec 18 8.59pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And that is in the current deal so why is it not for you.

Mrs May keeps telling us she has secured control over our borders and no ECJ interference, control over fishing rights etc. However none of this is true until the interim agreement is replaced by a trade deal which has yet to be agreed. Until then even after we "leave" we are still in the EU in all but name.

When we negotiate the Trade deal the EU will try to control many aspects of our economy. We cannot threaten to just walk away as her deal does not have a termination clause. That is their trump card.

I would prefer to leave next March and then negotiate a trade deal if the EU wants one. However I am pragmatic and would suffer another 2 years with this interim deal if it has an expiry date and an option to leave. That should concentrate the minds of both sides not to drag out a trade deal.

Mrs May talks about the EU as a partner which is true but we are also business rivals so they want to punish us for leaving but also to ensure we cannot out compete them.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Dec 2018 9.00pm)

One more point

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 9.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The question was not do we want Brexit but with the proviso that we can change our minds if everything is not perfect. At what point did you figure out that Brexit would not be without negatives? I'm certain that most people who voted leave were well aware of that when they voted. The information available now is no more clear than it was for the first vote. The fact that we are now some way down the road has changed nothing with regard to what will happen after Brexit. It cannot be predicted in the medium or long term. Your logic is garbage. I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'. This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief. Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm)
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Croydon 11 Dec 18 9.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The question was not do we want Brexit but with the proviso that we can change our minds if everything is not perfect.

At what point did you figure out that Brexit would not be without negatives? I'm certain that most people who voted leave were well aware of that when they voted.

The information available now is no more clear than it was for the first vote. The fact that we are now some way down the road has changed nothing with regard to what will happen after Brexit. It cannot be predicted in the medium or long term.

Your logic is garbage.

I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'.

This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief.

Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish.

Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm)

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 9.56pm
well said.
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 9.56pm

well said.

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 9.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have and value....ie a jealous god is concerned to lose believers to false idols. Envy is when you want what someone else has.....which was the context you should have been using. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.34pm) Let's try another example: This is from the Collins dictionary adjective If you are jealous of another person's possessions or qualities, you feel angry or bitter because you do not have them. Had I wished to say 'envious' clearly I would have. Indeed I agree that other countries are also envious of the City. But I was trying to get across the point that they are green and relatively impotent at the moment, not aspirational. In reality I suspect they will be able to move out of jealousy, through envy and into smugness in short order if this all progresses. Really, I do prefer to speak for myself. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 10.01pm)
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Croydon 11 Dec 18 9.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have and value....ie a jealous god is concerned to lose believers to false idols.

Envy is when you want what someone else has.....which was the context you should have been using.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.34pm)

Let's try another example:

This is from the Collins dictionary

adjective
If you are jealous of another person's possessions or qualities, you feel angry or bitter because you do not have them.

Had I wished to say 'envious' clearly I would have. Indeed I agree that other countries are also envious of the City. But I was trying to get across the point that they are green and relatively impotent at the moment, not aspirational. In reality I suspect they will be able to move out of jealousy, through envy and into smugness in short order if this all progresses.

Really, I do prefer to speak for myself.

Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 10.01pm)

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elgrande bedford 11 Dec 18 10.00pm
Originally posted by steve1984 well said. Says the man who has been sniping and belittling people since he turned up in his new guise. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 11 Dec 18 10.00pm

Originally posted by steve1984

well said.

Says the man who has been sniping and belittling people since he turned up in his new guise.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.01pm
Originally posted by elgrande Says the man who has been sniping and belittling people since he turned up in his new guise. Who he?
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Croydon 11 Dec 18 10.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Says the man who has been sniping and belittling people since he turned up in his new guise.

Who he?

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 10.04pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Who he? Apparently I'm a whole host of different people who have posted here in the past.
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 10.04pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Who he?

Apparently I'm a whole host of different people who have posted here in the past.

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.08pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Mrs May keeps telling us she has secured control over our borders and no ECJ interference, control over fishing rights etc. However none of this is true until the interim agreement is replaced by a trade deal which has yet to be agreed. Until then even after we "leave" we are still in the EU in all but name. When we negotiate the Trade deal the EU will try to control many aspects of our economy. We cannot threaten to just walk away as her deal does not have a termination clause. That is their trump card. I would prefer to leave next March and then negotiate a trade deal if the EU wants one. However I am pragmatic and would suffer another 2 years with this interim deal if it has an expiry date and an option to leave. That should concentrate the minds of both sides not to drag out a trade deal. Mrs May talks about the EU as a partner which is true but we are also business rivals so they want to punish us for leaving but also to ensure we cannot out compete them. Edited by Badger11 (11 Dec 2018 9.00pm) That is a bit strange that that you include the word 'until' as that means there will be ongoing talks for us to get more control. If it was scotland leaving the uk do you really think it would be ' ok see you later ,heres everything you want'. It would be ongoing. Brexit will happen fully but it wont and cant be nuclear. Somethings take time and this is massive.
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The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.08pm

Originally posted by Badger11

When we negotiate the Trade deal the EU will try to control many aspects of our economy. We cannot threaten to just walk away as her deal does not have a termination clause. That is their trump card.

Mrs May talks about the EU as a partner which is true but we are also business rivals so they want to punish us for leaving but also to ensure we cannot out compete them.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Dec 2018 9.00pm)

That is a bit strange that that you include the word 'until' as that means there will be ongoing talks for us to get more control.
If it was scotland leaving the uk do you really think it would be ' ok see you later ,heres everything you want'.
It would be ongoing.
Brexit will happen fully but it wont and cant be nuclear.
Somethings take time and this is massive.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 10.08pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'. This really is highly unpleasant. I am unsurprised you were removed from 'the other place'. On more than one occasion wasn't it? How in Heaven's name you haven't received a Yellow on this site beggars belief. Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm) Nice try, Your agenda is clear for all to see. Find us an example of me calling someone a name. And let's be clear. I said your logic was garbage because your logic was garbage. Making posts like this makes you appear like the school sneak. Do try to act your age and stick to the topic.
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Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 18 10.08pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I have noticed that you constantly belittle people, undermine them and call them names. Every post seems to include something like 'your logic is garbage'.

Please stop with your ad hominem attacks, it ain't big and it ain't clever. It is tiresome and childish.

Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 9.57pm)

Nice try, Your agenda is clear for all to see.

Find us an example of me calling someone a name.

And let's be clear. I said your logic was garbage because your logic was garbage.
Making posts like this makes you appear like the school sneak. Do try to act your age and stick to the topic.

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Because it appears to be a Brexit in name only. Any deal which barely changes our current situation and just removes the power of our vote inside Europe is useless. We have to go with no deal and see what Brussels does then. It isnt though is it. Brexit in name is a brexiteers view. Time will tell. What if you get everything and slam the door shut. It might be better to keep some irons in the fire early doors incase certain aspects arnt what is expected and totally takes the uk down.
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The garden of England 11 Dec 18 10.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Because it appears to be a Brexit in name only. Any deal which barely changes our current situation and just removes the power of our vote inside Europe is useless.

We have to go with no deal and see what Brussels does then.

It isnt though is it.
Brexit in name is a brexiteers view.
Time will tell.
What if you get everything and slam the door shut.
It might be better to keep some irons in the fire early doors incase certain aspects arnt what is expected and totally takes the uk down.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 10.14pm
Originally posted by steve1984 well said. Add hypocrisy to sockpuppetry and trolling on your rap sheet. Once again the most disruptive and accusatorial posters playing the victims.
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Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 18 10.14pm

Originally posted by steve1984

well said.

Add hypocrisy to sockpuppetry and trolling on your rap sheet.

Once again the most disruptive and accusatorial posters playing the victims.

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