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HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Jul 24 1.31am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Joe Biden has telephoned No.10, to wish Sir Keith all the best on his appointment with the Royal Family. The call was originally to speak to Churchill but when connected to the Cabinet office he just made a strange noise Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 06 Jul 24 1.31am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Joe Biden has telephoned No.10, to wish Sir Keith all the best on his appointment with the Royal Family.

The call was originally to speak to Churchill but when connected to the Cabinet office he just made a strange noise

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 24 1.34am
Originally posted by Willo I suspect bloodletting will be on the agenda. Apropos Sunak,he will go down as the Conservative Prime Minister and leader who had the worst election result in over a century. Hunt and Badenoch, along with Johnson will be dead against moves towards taking Farage in. Unfortunately I think they are going to hold sway, as the remaining party MPs are still too socially liberal and so we will continue to see this pointless middle ground and the weakening of the Conservatives. The Rory Stewart types are extremely middle class and aren't suffering any financial difficulties. As such they just don't appreciate the extent that right wing support for centralist positions is never going to bloom during national economic hardship.....especially as Labour's Starmer is probably going to increase censorship, which will only increase the move toward the right. While Farage remains on the scene representing the right wing, the Tories have no chance and will have their vote divided. Farage, always wanted to get to parliament, so he's staying and unless the Tories take him as leader they aren't going to progress. However, for that to happen the right wing types like Braverman have to win the argument and personally I don't think the Tory MPs are desperate enough yet....Hope I'm wrong about that. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 1.35am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 24 1.34am

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect bloodletting will be on the agenda.

Apropos Sunak,he will go down as the Conservative Prime Minister and leader who had the worst election result in over a century.

Hunt and Badenoch, along with Johnson will be dead against moves towards taking Farage in.

Unfortunately I think they are going to hold sway, as the remaining party MPs are still too socially liberal and so we will continue to see this pointless middle ground and the weakening of the Conservatives.

The Rory Stewart types are extremely middle class and aren't suffering any financial difficulties. As such they just don't appreciate the extent that right wing support for centralist positions is never going to bloom during national economic hardship.....especially as Labour's Starmer is probably going to increase censorship, which will only increase the move toward the right.

While Farage remains on the scene representing the right wing, the Tories have no chance and will have their vote divided. Farage, always wanted to get to parliament, so he's staying and unless the Tories take him as leader they aren't going to progress.

However, for that to happen the right wing types like Braverman have to win the argument and personally I don't think the Tory MPs are desperate enough yet....Hope I'm wrong about that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 1.35am)

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jul 24 5.58am
I just noted a bbc article about Farage and reform winning 5 seats and not once is far right mentioned. Either they have been told to stop or the hornets nest won’t need much to explode. In the lead up to the election it seemed it was nearly always in the first paragraph. Interesting !
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The garden of England 06 Jul 24 5.58am

I just noted a bbc article about Farage and reform winning 5 seats and not once is far right mentioned. Either they have been told to stop or the hornets nest won’t need much to explode. In the lead up to the election it seemed it was nearly always in the first paragraph.
Interesting !

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 24 6.01am
Truth bombs. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 6.01am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 24 6.01am

Truth bombs.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 24 8.57am
Originally posted by cryrst I just noted a bbc article about Farage and reform winning 5 seats and not once is far right mentioned. Either they have been told to stop or the hornets nest won’t need much to explode. In the lead up to the election it seemed it was nearly always in the first paragraph. Interesting ! I found that article. It was a factual piece from their political correspondent about what happened on Thursday. Not an analysis of the policy platform of the Party. it was objective and neutral, as the BBC are expected to be. Yet it still gets criticised! Would they have to go full on GBNews to avoid that? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 24 8.57am

Originally posted by cryrst

I found that article. It was a factual piece from their political correspondent about what happened on Thursday. Not an analysis of the policy platform of the Party. it was objective and neutral, as the BBC are expected to be.

Yet it still gets criticised!

Would they have to go full on GBNews to avoid that?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 24 9.02am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Hunt and Badenoch, along with Johnson will be dead against moves towards taking Farage in. Unfortunately I think they are going to hold sway, as the remaining party MPs are still too socially liberal and so we will continue to see this pointless middle ground and the weakening of the Conservatives. The Rory Stewart types are extremely middle class and aren't suffering any financial difficulties. As such they just don't appreciate the extent that right wing support for centralist positions is never going to bloom during national economic hardship.....especially as Labour's Starmer is probably going to increase censorship, which will only increase the move toward the right. While Farage remains on the scene representing the right wing, the Tories have no chance and will have their vote divided. Farage, always wanted to get to parliament, so he's staying and unless the Tories take him as leader they aren't going to progress. However, for that to happen the right wing types like Braverman have to win the argument and personally I don't think the Tory MPs are desperate enough yet....Hope I'm wrong about that. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 1.35am) Farage and Tice have been unequivocal apropos destroying the Conservative Party accordingly it would be somewhat preposterous if Farage was allowed to join after his bellicose diatribe aimed at it. I very much doubt that a scenario will unfold whereby he joins the Conservatives at the expense of Reform. In terms of Braverman, should the members get a choice and she is one of the candidates for the leadership, she will be favourite to wear the crown.I know of a plethora of members who would vote for Suella. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2024 9.09am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 24 9.02am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Hunt and Badenoch, along with Johnson will be dead against moves towards taking Farage in.

However, for that to happen the right wing types like Braverman have to win the argument and personally I don't think the Tory MPs are desperate enough yet....Hope I'm wrong about that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 1.35am)

Farage and Tice have been unequivocal apropos destroying the Conservative Party accordingly it would be somewhat preposterous if Farage was allowed to join after his bellicose diatribe aimed at it.
I very much doubt that a scenario will unfold whereby he joins the Conservatives at the expense of Reform.

In terms of Braverman, should the members get a choice and she is one of the candidates for the leadership, she will be favourite to wear the crown.I know of a plethora of members who would vote for Suella.

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2024 9.09am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 24 9.12am
I heard Steve Baker’s remarks yesterday too. He was clearly speaking from the heart and with inside knowledge. This has concerned me for quite some time as it is a serious problem that cannot be constantly brushed into the long grass to be the problem the next government must solve. The Micawber principle doesn’t actually work. Action today is rather more productive. It won’t be solved though under our current system, and as I don’t see our current system being replaced in my lifetime I think we face a meltdown at some point. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 24 9.12am

I heard Steve Baker’s remarks yesterday too. He was clearly speaking from the heart and with inside knowledge.

This has concerned me for quite some time as it is a serious problem that cannot be constantly brushed into the long grass to be the problem the next government must solve.

The Micawber principle doesn’t actually work. Action today is rather more productive.

It won’t be solved though under our current system, and as I don’t see our current system being replaced in my lifetime I think we face a meltdown at some point.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 24 9.21am
Originally posted by Willo Farage and Tice have been unequivocal apropos destroying the Conservative Party accordingly it would be somewhat preposterous if Farage was allowed to join after his bellicose diatribe aimed at it. I very much doubt that a scenario will unfold whereby he joins the Conservatives at the expense of Reform. In terms of Braverman, should the members get a choice and she is one of the candidates for the leadership, she will be favourite to wear the crown.I know of a plethora of members who would vote for Suella. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2024 9.09am) It’s a serious problem for the Party. One that will be very divisive and difficult for Central Office to solve. If they allow the membership to choose, as logically they should, they will get Braverman. Which would see them competing with Reform for the 20% or so of right wing voters, which could wipe them out. If they allow the MPs to choose, which makes sense too, then they would probably get Hunt and rebuild as a centre right Party, ready to recapture the middle ground after a Labour failure. So do they choose oblivion or survival? I am not much in favour of suicide myself! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 24 9.21am

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2024 9.09am)

It’s a serious problem for the Party. One that will be very divisive and difficult for Central Office to solve. If they allow the membership to choose, as logically they should, they will get Braverman. Which would see them competing with Reform for the 20% or so of right wing voters, which could wipe them out.

If they allow the MPs to choose, which makes sense too, then they would probably get Hunt and rebuild as a centre right Party, ready to recapture the middle ground after a Labour failure.

So do they choose oblivion or survival?

I am not much in favour of suicide myself!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 24 9.30am
Originally posted by Willo Farage and Tice have been unequivocal apropos destroying the Conservative Party accordingly it would be somewhat preposterous if Farage was allowed to join after his bellicose diatribe aimed at it. I very much doubt that a scenario will unfold whereby he joins the Conservatives at the expense of Reform. In terms of Braverman, should the members get a choice and she is one of the candidates for the leadership, she will be favourite to wear the crown.I know of a plethora of members who would vote for Suella. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2024 9.09am) The idea of 'destroying' the Conservative party is because it's gone centralist, pro immigration and woke. A Reform with Farage leading it will always gain around 40 percent of conservative votes....as it just did....probably more if the Tories stay centralist. All while it remains centralist Farage is going to ensure that it stays out of power and that we get the left as it's intended.....there's a benefit to that as the younger generation get to see what its implemented ideas result in. However, if Braverman wins I think she and the Conservatives embrace a merger....which would have to keep the Conservative name, then Reform completes its purpose and no longer exists. However, it's a right wing Conservative party with the centralists going off to join Labour or the Lib Dems or no dice. Reform know they aren't going to form a government but they can keep socially liberal conservativism out of power as well. The message needs to be sent that Conservativism no longer has room for the subversive social liberals. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 9.47am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 24 9.30am

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2024 9.09am)

The idea of 'destroying' the Conservative party is because it's gone centralist, pro immigration and woke.

A Reform with Farage leading it will always gain around 40 percent of conservative votes....as it just did....probably more if the Tories stay centralist.

All while it remains centralist Farage is going to ensure that it stays out of power and that we get the left as it's intended.....there's a benefit to that as the younger generation get to see what its implemented ideas result in.

However, if Braverman wins I think she and the Conservatives embrace a merger....which would have to keep the Conservative name, then Reform completes its purpose and no longer exists.

However, it's a right wing Conservative party with the centralists going off to join Labour or the Lib Dems or no dice.

Reform know they aren't going to form a government but they can keep socially liberal conservativism out of power as well. The message needs to be sent that Conservativism no longer has room for the subversive social liberals.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 9.47am)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 24 9.44am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The idea of 'destroying' the Conservative party is because it's gone centralist, pro immigration and woke. A Reform with Farage leading it will always gain around 40 percent of conservative votes....as it just did....probably more if the Tories stay centralist. All while it remains centralist Farage is going to ensure that it stays out of power and that we get the left as it's intended.....there's a benefit to that as the younger generation get to see what it's implemented ideas result in. However, if Braverman wins I think she and the Conservatives embrace a merger....which would have to keep the Conservative name, then Reform completes its purpose and no longer exists. However, it's a right wing Conservative party with the centralists going off to join Labour or the Lib Dems or no dice. Reform know they aren't going to form a government but they can keep socially liberal conservativism out of power as well. The message needs to be sent that Conservativism no longer has room for the subversive social liberals. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 9.32am) Firstly, whilst I respect your opinion I disagree that the Conservatives are "Pro-Immigration" or "Woke". Apropos Braverman, I am an avid supporter of the lady and I sincerely hope that she is the new leader. In terms of a "Right wing Conservative Party", this would be manna from heaven for me and my cronies ! It is high time I now depart for a breakfast with some of my Conservative chums and I suspect that there will be bowing at the temple of Suella Braverman !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 24 9.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The idea of 'destroying' the Conservative party is because it's gone centralist, pro immigration and woke.

A Reform with Farage leading it will always gain around 40 percent of conservative votes....as it just did....probably more if the Tories stay centralist.

However, if Braverman wins I think she and the Conservatives embrace a merger....which would have to keep the Conservative name, then Reform completes its purpose and no longer exists.

However, it's a right wing Conservative party with the centralists going off to join Labour or the Lib Dems or no dice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2024 9.32am)

Firstly, whilst I respect your opinion I disagree that the Conservatives are "Pro-Immigration" or "Woke".

Apropos Braverman, I am an avid supporter of the lady and I sincerely hope that she is the new leader.

In terms of a "Right wing Conservative Party", this would be manna from heaven for me and my cronies !

It is high time I now depart for a breakfast with some of my Conservative chums and I suspect that there will be bowing at the temple of Suella Braverman !

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 24 9.49am
Originally posted by Willo Firstly, whilst I respect your opinion I disagree that the Conservatives are "Pro-Immigration" or "Woke". Apropos Braverman, I am an avid supporter of the lady and I sincerely hope that she is the new leader. In terms of a "Right wing Conservative Party", this would be manna from heaven for me and my cronies ! It is high time I now depart for a breakfast with some of my Conservative chums and I suspect that there will be bowing at the temple of Suella Braverman ! We agree on Braverman. Fingers crossed my man, enjoy your breakfast. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 24 9.49am

Originally posted by Willo

Firstly, whilst I respect your opinion I disagree that the Conservatives are "Pro-Immigration" or "Woke".

Apropos Braverman, I am an avid supporter of the lady and I sincerely hope that she is the new leader.

In terms of a "Right wing Conservative Party", this would be manna from heaven for me and my cronies !

It is high time I now depart for a breakfast with some of my Conservative chums and I suspect that there will be bowing at the temple of Suella Braverman !

We agree on Braverman.

Fingers crossed my man, enjoy your breakfast.

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JRW2 Dulwich 06 Jul 24 9.54am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays But first the recriminations and political punch ups. I hope that surviving and sacked Conservative MPs don't have the gall to put all the blame on Sunak. They should remember that it was they who put forward to party members two candidates from which to choose the leader in 2022: Truss and Sunak. Well done, boys and girls.
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Dulwich 06 Jul 24 9.54am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

But first the recriminations and political punch ups.

I hope that surviving and sacked Conservative MPs don't have the gall to put all the blame on Sunak. They should remember that it was they who put forward to party members two candidates from which to choose the leader in 2022: Truss and Sunak. Well done, boys and girls.

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