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Eden Eagle Kent 03 Aug 23 12.00pm | |
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I was waiting for WE to come along and completely dismiss (some peoples) concern about the perceived high number of people that are having cardiac events. I myself had a heart attack at the end of April - I am in my late fifties, never smoked, hardly drink, cycle twice a week and play tennis weekly. My BMI is in the “green zone” and the Doctors/Consultants cannot give any reason for the HA. Whilst in hospital the staff told me that they were seeing much younger people now with cardiac issues. Only last week heard about someone else very similar age and also a very keen cyclist who had a massive HA - luckily he survived but remains in hospital. There at least should be some dialogue to discuss why this is happening rather than, as per the response from WE, a complete dismissal that this might be linked to the “vaccine”. I will certainly not be getting any further “boosters”.
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eaglesdare 03 Aug 23 12.06pm | |
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ASCPFC - Do you remember Leo Varadkar saying In Ireland people who had stage 4 cancer who died they counted it as a covid death. The fear and scaremongering were off the charts! they pushed the experimental and dangerous "Vaccine" on people. And now we are seeing the after effects of it all. Some people are still scared. I was on my bike yesterday and seen an idiot out walking in the park all on his own in the middle of a GAA pitch still wearing a mask.
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Stirlingsays 03 Aug 23 12.08pm | |
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People should watch Campbell videos on this topic over the last year or six months and make their own mind up as to whether this guy is lying to you or not. He only deals in official statistics and it should be remembered that he took the vaccines and I think three boosters. The dismissals don't seem to take into account the rise in specific conditions.....In one of Campbell's recent videos he goes over where the rise in excess deaths has been seen. If this were just attributed to the affect on the medical centre then why are certain conditions far more higher than others, which aren't affected? if it could just be dismissed as the effect of the lockdowns on health services then its effect wouldn't be global and some countries excess deaths wouldn't be there or be significantly lower and as Campbell shows....the excess deaths are very much a global affair. I found the statistics he shows on Africa as very interesting as that is a young, not an old population, yet the excess deaths are significant compared to covid deaths. It should be repeated....according to WHO statistics the number of excess deaths is over two times the number attributed to covid. Note the difference in how our government and media are responding. As for anyone's position regarding boosters I don't think anyone should listen to commentators on Hol regarding what they put into their body. Personally, just as before, I think ultimately for good or ill we all have to take personal responsibility for our own health decisions. I certainly don't criticise anyone for either taking this stuff or not taking it. How it was sold to us however, the pressure....the fear mongering...the censorship....the group think....people losing jobs, being arrested and putting this stuff into children.....that I very much do take issue with.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 23 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
ASCPFC - Do you remember Leo Varadkar saying In Ireland people who had stage 4 cancer who died they counted it as a covid death. The fear and scaremongering were off the charts! they pushed the experimental and dangerous "Vaccine" on people. And now we are seeing the after effects of it all. Some people are still scared. I was on my bike yesterday and seen an idiot out walking in the park all on his own in the middle of a GAA pitch still wearing a mask. I know - my friend was one of those conned by this into getting constant boosters. Blood clots in some nasty places. I think most countries counted anyone who died with COVID as dying of COVID, which was not the same thing. I'm expecting a vaccine injury lawsuit soon enough.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Over the past few months we have seen in the press a number of younger people (often sports people) suffering heart attacks with many dying and alongside this I have heard of, what feels like, a higher than expected number of people suffering heart attacks. These are not what you might have expected age or health wise mainly people in their forties or fifties who considered themselves to be quite fit. Is anyone else hearing of a higher than expected number of cardiac events from their own social and work circle? It is undeniably true that we are in the middle of of a heart attack and stroke crisis, which is directly related to the pandemic. What isn't true is that the vaccines are responsible for it and that we should stop taking them. That would make things worse. Those who distrust official statements and see collusion around every corner rush to allocate blame based on their prejudices rather than the facts. The pandemic has had very serious impacts other than the direct ones from Covid 19 itself.
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Eden Eagle Kent 03 Aug 23 12.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It is undeniably true that we are in the middle of of a heart attack and stroke crisis, which is directly related to the pandemic. What isn't true is that the vaccines are responsible for it and that we should stop taking them. That would make things worse. Those who distrust official statements and see collusion around every corner rush to allocate blame based on their prejudices rather than the facts. The pandemic has had very serious impacts other than the direct ones from Covid 19 itself. I dont see “collusion around every corner” WE but having had a recent HA I would like to see more discussion around the possibility that the “vaccines” might hvae caused this increase.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 23 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The doctors will have considered it, and rejected it immediately because there is no evidence to support it as a likely cause. It's sad and unusual, but it's not unknown, for younger people to suffer like this, without a cause being obvious. Having a booster around the same time as another event must be very commonplace given the number of boosters being administered. I suffered bach ache after my last one. Was the booster the cause, or my arthritis? Encouraging people not to receive their boosters when all the evidence suggests that you remain much more at risk from Covid than a vaccine to protect you from it, is not responsible in my view. It's advice I won't be taking and I encourage others to ignore. For your own sake and from personal experience, I honestly implore you not to take any more boosters. I know you're quite old and have had illnesses but the current COVID is a sniffly cold and far less risk than the vaccines currently. I'm not some anti vaccine person - just this vaccine from the things I've witnessed and experienced personally.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 23 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
I dont see “collusion around every corner” WE but having had a recent HA I would like to see more discussion around the possibility that the “vaccines” might hvae caused this increase. I know exactly what you mean. When it's personal experience your view quickly changes. People can argue with you as much as they like but they can't argue with what's happened to you.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 12.27pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I know - my friend was one of those conned by this into getting constant boosters. Blood clots in some nasty places. I think most countries counted anyone who died with COVID as dying of COVID, which was not the same thing. I'm expecting a vaccine injury lawsuit soon enough. I doubt whether many died of Covid 19 alone. It makes total sense that those with comorbidities will be the ones to suffer most. So recording those dying with Covid seems the only sensible way to record and measure the trends. Nobody has been conned by our health authorities. That's just another wicked conspiracy theory. These are people trying to serve the people in the best way they can. Why on earth would they seek to con them?
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Stirlingsays 03 Aug 23 12.32pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I know exactly what you mean. When it's personal experience your view quickly changes. People can argue with you as much as they like but they can't argue with what's happened to you. My missus's father is still around in his eighties and he's taken everything and seems fine so far. But he says he had a bad reaction from the last booster and decided not to take another one, which has surprised me personally. He was concerned during covid that no one in my family had taken these vaccines and spent some time trying to convince his daughter. However, he's changed his tune since.
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Eden Eagle Kent 03 Aug 23 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I know exactly what you mean. When it's personal experience your view quickly changes. People can argue with you as much as they like but they can't argue with what's happened to you. After spending nearly a week in a cardiac ward and speaking to the staff they spoke about the increasing number of younger people being admitted- they also spoke about William Harvey Hospital (the main hospital for heart surgery in Kent) operating “round the clock mainly with stent surgery due to blocked arteries to keep up with the demand. Through work I have have a bi-annual BUPA check-up which covers everything from blood pressure, blood tests to ECG etc. and based on the findings they give you a percentage chance of something happening within the next 10 years - the chance of me having a heart attack was less than 5% (the lowest possible rating) - this check up was in February last year. In my mind something is amiss..
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
I was waiting for WE to come along and completely dismiss (some peoples) concern about the perceived high number of people that are having cardiac events. I myself had a heart attack at the end of April - I am in my late fifties, never smoked, hardly drink, cycle twice a week and play tennis weekly. My BMI is in the “green zone” and the Doctors/Consultants cannot give any reason for the HA. Whilst in hospital the staff told me that they were seeing much younger people now with cardiac issues. Only last week heard about someone else very similar age and also a very keen cyclist who had a massive HA - luckily he survived but remains in hospital. There at least should be some dialogue to discuss why this is happening rather than, as per the response from WE, a complete dismissal that this might be linked to the “vaccine”. I will certainly not be getting any further “boosters”. I am sorry you had a heart attack, but can they happen, to anyone. It's also true that there is a significant rise in the numbers at the moment. All of which can be explained totally rationally and without jumping to conclusions. To see the vaccines as the cause is evidence free assertion. It's dangerous fear mongering. 2 + 2 always equals 4. Never 10 just because you think it might.
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