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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 22 1.15am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
"PENTAGON - The prospect of fighter jets "at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America" departing from a U.S./NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance. It is simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it. We will continue to consult with Poland and our other NATO allies about this issue and the difficult logistical challenges it presents, but we do not believe Poland's proposal is a tenable one." The Pentagon certainly seems to have more sense than Antony Blinken who said he had 'green lit' this.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Mar 22 5.04am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I did suggest a demilitarised zone along the whole of the eastern border, extending an equal distance both east and west, monitored by inspectors. I see no reason why Nato would object as they would still be able to deploy missile defence systems and for the eastern states not having masses of hardware as neighbours reassuring. Russia wants Crimea. The independence of Ukraine severely restricted the access to ports. The West pushing Ukraine to join NATO was the excuse Putin needed to take the peninsula by force, under the flag of counter-terrorism. It's not about positioning of missiles or armies. It's about port access. (although this might change in such a dynamic situation)
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Mar 22 5.06am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
On potassium iodide tablets. Best taken within 3-4 hours of exposure. Once daily. Don't take them outside of an attack and If you have to take it stick to the dose recommendations. I thought you swerved medicine ?
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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 22 5.59am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I thought you swerved medicine ? Not ones I need.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Mar 22 7.48am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The idea of winning some kind of morality tale with Putin as being more important than risking the deaths of tens of millions of people and sending humanity back to the dark ages is mind blowing. The whole point of nuclear weapons is to avoid direct military conflict between the nations with them. It can't be any clearer. I say support the Ukrainians in their struggle but we need to maintain a sense of proportion of risk on the stakes involved. There are multiple actors pushing the west into madness. The rules are clear, an attack on Nato is war and that's the point at which nuclear war is risked....not before. The best we can do is find the best peaceful solution possible, that will avoid the most death. As for the bombing of civilians this has happened in every single case of cities being taken. Nato has been doing it themselves for decades of war in multiple theatres.....The Saudis do it every day in Yemen. This has always been terrible and videos don't make it more so. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2022 10.47pm) Absolutely correct. I cannot believe that supposedly intelligent people are suggesting giving planes to Ukraine or any other direct military aid. Utterly bonkers. Maybe someone should send them a copy of 'The Day After' or When The Wind Blows' as gross underestimates of nuclear war.
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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 22 7.59am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Absolutely correct. I cannot believe that supposedly intelligent people are suggesting giving planes to Ukraine or any other direct military aid. Utterly bonkers. Maybe someone should send them a copy of 'The Day After' or When The Wind Blows' as gross underestimates of nuclear war. That's when our elites actually seemed to understand just what levels of destruction nuclear weapons meant. Now it's like the passing of time has turned it into some kind of make believe fantasy....like it's a f***ing game. Have they seen how people die from this sh1t? How are these people paid so much? The more time goes on the less I believe that the west gives any kind of f*** about meritocracy anymore. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2022 7.59am)
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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 22 8.40am | |
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I'm not against giving the Ukrainians, aid and the means to fight and the ability to exact cost to the Russians.....We have already done that and should continue to. You bring a tank into my city to kill people and I have the right to attack it. Enabling Poland to give its jets to the Ukrainians would, on the other hand, be a whole other level of involvement that gets us seriously close to war. We need to be working on peace terms and trying to save as many people as possible not escalating a wider war.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Mar 22 9.02am | |
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Trump’s desire to paint Chinese flags on planes and bomb the sh1t out of Russia not a good idea either.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 22 9.04am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Russia wants Crimea. The independence of Ukraine severely restricted the access to ports. The West pushing Ukraine to join NATO was the excuse Putin needed to take the peninsula by force, under the flag of counter-terrorism. It's not about positioning of missiles or armies. It's about port access. (although this might change in such a dynamic situation) Russia has already taken Crimea. It was Ukraine pushing the west to join Nato. Which any country can, even Russia, provided they meet certain criteria. The idea about a DMZ is about relaxing tensions after a settlement and not the political imperatives needed to secure one.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 22 9.15am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I too agree that shutting out sportsmen and women isn't helpful. I'm less optimistic about the idea that they would attempt to get an anti war message through though. For one there is an almost total shutout of truthful news on the war in Russia which to an extent will influence perception, and secondly it's clear that even oligarchs are very careful with their words right now. I genuinely think, with Putin where he is right now, that it would be entirely unsafe for any team member stating or sporting an anti war message to return to Russia. My thinking was whether us removing access in Russia also removes an opportunity to give the Russian people a small glimpse of an alternative view. Whilst the Russian authorities control the content before and after the actual play they cannot stop messages around the ground, or on players shirts. Nor being shown on the big screens in the grounds. Doing it subtlety would mean the Russian censorship would have to decide whether to ban the broadcasts themselves, which would also put some doubts into play. Too late now I think.
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silvertop Portishead 09 Mar 22 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Haven’t heard about a visa office in Calais but we did have BF Officers base there.
That's not what they are looking for. Read Badger's post again. And if they were Ukrainian paedos or terrorists, I suspect Border Control would have no way of checking. This is to ensure they are actual Ukrainians fleeing actual Ukraine.
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silvertop Portishead 09 Mar 22 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Trump’s desire to paint Chinese flags on planes and bomb the sh1t out of Russia not a good idea either. I am out of the loop. Please tell me that is a joke?
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