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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 6.56pm
Originally posted by cryrst Freeview is well, free. Plenty of news channels not woke. I'm sure old people may miss the radio shows so concentrate on those. Without the political bias! This is from tv licensing:- "You don’t need a licence if you only ever watch on demand or catch up programmes on services other than BBC iPlayer (and you also never watch live TV programmes on any channel, including on BBC iPlayer). You need a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use, including: Freeview, Freesat or YouView Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV Apple, Roku or Amazon" So watch ANYTHING live, you need a licence. Use iPlayer you need a licence. Pretty difficult to actually achieve that, in my opinion. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 6.56pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Freeview is well, free.
Plenty of news channels not woke.
I'm sure old people may miss the radio shows so concentrate on those. Without the political bias!

This is from tv licensing:-

"You don’t need a licence if you only ever watch on demand or catch up programmes on services other than BBC iPlayer (and you also never watch live TV programmes on any channel, including on BBC iPlayer).

You need a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use, including:

Freeview, Freesat or YouView
Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV
Apple, Roku or Amazon"

So watch ANYTHING live, you need a licence. Use iPlayer you need a licence.

Pretty difficult to actually achieve that, in my opinion.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jan 22 7.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is from tv licensing:- "You don’t need a licence if you only ever watch on demand or catch up programmes on services other than BBC iPlayer (and you also never watch live TV programmes on any channel, including on BBC iPlayer). You need a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use, including: Freeview, Freesat or YouView Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV Apple, Roku or Amazon" So watch ANYTHING live, you need a licence. Use iPlayer you need a licence. Pretty difficult to actually achieve that, in my opinion. I have (& bare with me whilst I scroll through) BBC America BBC Entertainment BBC Four BBC News BBC One BBC Two CBBC CBeebies Plus although not under the BBC name Alibi Dave Drama Eden Gold & possibly a few others I'm unaware of?? the second section acquired at the expense of the tax payer no doubt. It's in affect your tax dollar being used to fund channels on the free market, but the BBC being at an advantage due to your licence fee. It's long overdue for subscription. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jan 22 7.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is from tv licensing:-

You need a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use, including:

Freeview, Freesat or YouView
Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV
Apple, Roku or Amazon"

So watch ANYTHING live, you need a licence. Use iPlayer you need a licence.

Pretty difficult to actually achieve that, in my opinion.

I have (& bare with me whilst I scroll through)
BBC America
BBC Entertainment
BBC Four
BBC News
BBC One
BBC Two
CBBC
CBeebies
Plus although not under the BBC name
Alibi
Dave
Drama
Eden
Gold
& possibly a few others I'm unaware of?? the second section acquired at the expense of the tax payer no doubt.
It's in affect your tax dollar being used to fund channels on the free market, but the BBC being at an advantage due to your licence fee. It's long overdue for subscription.

Pro USA & Israel

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Jan 22 7.40pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is from tv licensing:- "You don’t need a licence if you only ever watch on demand or catch up programmes on services other than BBC iPlayer (and you also never watch live TV programmes on any channel, including on BBC iPlayer). You need a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use, including: Freeview, Freesat or YouView Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV Apple, Roku or Amazon" So watch ANYTHING live, you need a licence. Use iPlayer you need a licence. Pretty difficult to actually achieve that, in my opinion. Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor. One more point
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Beckenham 16 Jan 22 7.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is from tv licensing:-

You need a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use, including:

Freeview, Freesat or YouView
Sky, Virgin Media or BT TV
Apple, Roku or Amazon"

So watch ANYTHING live, you need a licence. Use iPlayer you need a licence.

Pretty difficult to actually achieve that, in my opinion.

Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 10.08pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor. No it isn't. It's a licence fee. Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them. How to protect the poor is a completely separate subject. I would simply give them a licence once a threshold of need is reached. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 10.08pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor.

No it isn't. It's a licence fee.

Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them.

How to protect the poor is a completely separate subject. I would simply give them a licence once a threshold of need is reached.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Jan 22 10.15pm
So finally people will not be forced on threat of imprisonment, to pay for a product they don't want. Good. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 16 Jan 22 10.15pm

So finally people will not be forced on threat of imprisonment, to pay for a product they don't want.

Good.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 22 10.16pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it isn't. It's a licence fee. Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them. How to protect the poor is a completely separate subject. I would simply give them a licence once a threshold of need is reached. And in the next incarnation there will be a subscription fee. How does that affect their independence?
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Teddy Eagle

16 Jan 22 10.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it isn't. It's a licence fee.

How to protect the poor is a completely separate subject. I would simply give them a licence once a threshold of need is reached.

And in the next incarnation there will be a subscription fee. How does that affect their independence?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 10.20pm
Originally posted by Jimenez I have (& bare with me whilst I scroll through) BBC America BBC Entertainment BBC Four BBC News BBC One BBC Two CBBC CBeebies Plus although not under the BBC name Alibi Dave Drama Eden Gold & possibly a few others I'm unaware of?? the second section acquired at the expense of the tax payer no doubt. It's in affect your tax dollar being used to fund channels on the free market, but the BBC being at an advantage due to your licence fee. It's long overdue for subscription. I presume you are watching these channels in the USA and not the UK. The licence fee applies only in the UK. How it is presented in other countries is another matter entirely, but as the world's window on us, keeping it free makes perfect sense to me. Making the BBC a subscription service would have very significant, and almost certainly negative, implications. The BBC is different and it needs to stay different. It does important things that others don't. We don't want to see the BBC dumbing down any further than it's budget cuts have already forced it to do. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 10.20pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

I presume you are watching these channels in the USA and not the UK. The licence fee applies only in the UK. How it is presented in other countries is another matter entirely, but as the world's window on us, keeping it free makes perfect sense to me.

Making the BBC a subscription service would have very significant, and almost certainly negative, implications. The BBC is different and it needs to stay different. It does important things that others don't. We don't want to see the BBC dumbing down any further than it's budget cuts have already forced it to do.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Jan 22 10.51pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I presume you are watching these channels in the USA and not the UK. The licence fee applies only in the UK. How it is presented in other countries is another matter entirely, but as the world's window on us, keeping it free makes perfect sense to me. Making the BBC a subscription service would have very significant, and almost certainly negative, implications. The BBC is different and it needs to stay different. It does important things that others don't. We don't want to see the BBC dumbing down any further than it's budget cuts have already forced it to do. No one thinks the bbc doesn't make some good programmes or offer a service. The point is the somewhat biased reporting which has bought 'karma' to their door. Every dog has its day as the saying goes.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Jan 22 10.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No one thinks the bbc doesn't make some good programmes or offer a service. The point is the somewhat biased reporting which has bought 'karma' to their door. Every dog has its day as the saying goes.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jan 22 11.07pm
Twenty years ago there was a proposal within the BBC to ensure that it employed fifty fifty on politics. At the time I viewed the rejection of that proposal as self destructive and ultimately I think that is going to be borne out. The path could have been so easily avoided.....If Liz Truss is being honest then the BBC better hope to God that Labour win the next election. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jan 2022 11.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Jan 22 11.07pm

Twenty years ago there was a proposal within the BBC to ensure that it employed fifty fifty on politics.

At the time I viewed the rejection of that proposal as self destructive and ultimately I think that is going to be borne out.

The path could have been so easily avoided.....If Liz Truss is being honest then the BBC better hope to God that Labour win the next election.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jan 2022 11.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 11.28pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle And in the next incarnation there will be a subscription fee. How does that affect their independence? That's yet to be decided. Just because a floundering government tries to divert attention via a populist headline is no guarantee anything will actually change. They are unlikely to be in power when the time comes. If it ever did go onto a subscription basis it would ruin, and possibly destroy the BBC. The BBC is not Netflix, Amazon or Sky. It's a very special organisation which needs to be honoured and nurtured. It's not just there to entertain. It isn't influenced by government, media moguls with agendas or business interests. I know people here don't like it's perceived politics, but the truth is that the BBC is bound by its charter to be independent and objective. That demands it challenges political policy which inevitably means the government comes in for more scrutiny and criticism than the opposition, who themselves may be making similar statements. It's a long time since we had a Labour government but they, and their supporters, have always been just as incensed by the BBC, when they were, as Tory supporters are now. The difference today is the internet, which was nothing like as actively used when Labour was last in power. We are just more aware of it now. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 22 11.28pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And in the next incarnation there will be a subscription fee. How does that affect their independence?

That's yet to be decided. Just because a floundering government tries to divert attention via a populist headline is no guarantee anything will actually change. They are unlikely to be in power when the time comes.

If it ever did go onto a subscription basis it would ruin, and possibly destroy the BBC. The BBC is not Netflix, Amazon or Sky. It's a very special organisation which needs to be honoured and nurtured. It's not just there to entertain. It isn't influenced by government, media moguls with agendas or business interests.

I know people here don't like it's perceived politics, but the truth is that the BBC is bound by its charter to be independent and objective. That demands it challenges political policy which inevitably means the government comes in for more scrutiny and criticism than the opposition, who themselves may be making similar statements. It's a long time since we had a Labour government but they, and their supporters, have always been just as incensed by the BBC, when they were, as Tory supporters are now.

The difference today is the internet, which was nothing like as actively used when Labour was last in power. We are just more aware of it now.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 22 11.42pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That's yet to be decided. Just because a floundering government tries to divert attention via a populist headline is no guarantee anything will actually change. They are unlikely to be in power when the time comes. If it ever did go onto a subscription basis it would ruin, and possibly destroy the BBC. The BBC is not Netflix, Amazon or Sky. It's a very special organisation which needs to be honoured and nurtured. It's not just there to entertain. It isn't influenced by government, media moguls with agendas or business interests. I know people here don't like it's perceived politics, but the truth is that the BBC is bound by its charter to be independent and objective. That demands it challenges political policy which inevitably means the government comes in for more scrutiny and criticism than the opposition, who themselves may be making similar statements. It's a long time since we had a Labour government but they, and their supporters, have always been just as incensed by the BBC, when they were, as Tory supporters are now. The difference today is the internet, which was nothing like as actively used when Labour was last in power. We are just more aware of it now. Doesn’t explain why their independence would be compromised.
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Teddy Eagle

16 Jan 22 11.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The difference today is the internet, which was nothing like as actively used when Labour was last in power. We are just more aware of it now.

Doesn’t explain why their independence would be compromised.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Jan 22 12.36am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I presume you are watching these channels in the USA and not the UK. The licence fee applies only in the UK. How it is presented in other countries is another matter entirely, but as the world's window on us, keeping it free makes perfect sense to me. Making the BBC a subscription service would have very significant, and almost certainly negative, implications. The BBC is different and it needs to stay different. It does important things that others don't. We don't want to see the BBC dumbing down any further than it's budget cuts have already forced it to do. Actually although available for consumption I rarely peruse & when I have I always find it's 'The same old same old ' as they are fond of saying over here. Very much a jobs for the boys &(girls) type culture with mainly the same bunch of presenters & newscasters they've had for the last 15/20 years so the Beeb is hardly nurturing new talent. From what I've read online & heard of first hand is that a lot of the cough Comedy output is the usual plethora of Middle class Liberal angst directed usually at seems at the people they purport to represent mainly the British working class, while at the same time banishing to the archives stuff like Porridge, OFAH, The Two Ronnies & Little Britain. For the record I have property in London so I pay the TV licence there. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Jan 22 12.36am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I presume you are watching these channels in the USA and not the UK. The licence fee applies only in the UK. How it is presented in other countries is another matter entirely, but as the world's window on us, keeping it free makes perfect sense to me.

Actually although available for consumption I rarely peruse & when I have I always find it's 'The same old same old ' as they are fond of saying over here.
Very much a jobs for the boys &(girls) type culture with mainly the same bunch of presenters & newscasters they've had for the last 15/20 years so the Beeb is hardly nurturing new talent.
From what I've read online & heard of first hand is that a lot of the **cough** Comedy output is the usual plethora of Middle class Liberal angst directed usually at seems at the people they purport to represent mainly the British working class, while at the same time banishing to the archives stuff like Porridge, OFAH, The Two Ronnies & Little Britain.
For the record I have property in London so I pay the TV licence there.

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