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 Kermit8  Hevon 18 Apr 13 7.45am |
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Quote Pinky at 18 Apr 2013 7.43am
From what I've seen of the news footage from inside St Paul's, the overwhelming impression gven off by the Establishment was one of decrepitude and moral decay. What a hideous spectacle.
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Pinky  Kent 18 Apr 13 7.48am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 18 Apr 2013 7.45am
Quote Pinky at 18 Apr 2013 7.43am
From what I've seen of the news footage from inside St Paul's, the overwhelming impression gven off by the Establishment was one of decrepitude and moral decay. What a hideous spectacle.
Absolutely. Might be a few more funerals fairly soon ...
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| kevpofcpfc 18 Apr 13 7.56am |
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I hope Teflon Tony don't think he's getting a send off like that.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 13 7.56am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 18 Apr 2013 7.44am
Unrelated Stirling and not after a reply or owt but that Bishop of London's eulogy. Turn's out he is a family friend. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but does explain when watching why I was thinking it sounded all a bit skewed and one-eyed. Kermit I know it was on television and all but this was a service no matter how grand. It isn't the place for a balanced breakdown of the morality of her politics. He gave a very nice speech.....Criticism of him is unfair. This is the place where you mull over the legacy of Thatcher, not in a Church during her funeral service.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 13 7.58am |
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Quote Pinky at 18 Apr 2013 7.43am
From what I've seen of the news footage from inside St Paul's, the overwhelming impression gven off by the Establishment was one of decrepitude and moral decay. What a hideous spectacle.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Apr 13 8.00am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2013 7.56am
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This is the place where you mull over the legacy of Thatcher, not in a Church during her funeral service. In actual fact Mrs Thatcher herself wanted it to be a funeral service and not a eulogy.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 13 8.02am |
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Quote Willo at 18 Apr 2013 8.00am
In actual fact Mrs Thatcher herself wanted it to be a funeral service and not a eulogy. Maybe her family knew more about her exact wishes than the general public.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Apr 13 9.26am |
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.19pm
More pits closed in the Labour government before Thatcher than during her time as PM, did they not? Just that Scargill wasn't around being an absolute cock when that happened. And like someone else said, they never reopened them once the union's party of choice got back in either. Today went well. Good turn out for her, protests were minor and only made themselves look and sound like the prats they are. First female PM and longest serving of the 20th century, reason enough for the ceremonial funeral. Now that I would argue is something worth a ceremonial send off (although not the first female leader ever, that honour goes to either Sri Lanka/Argentina or Iceland dependent on your criteria). Its significance shoud not be overated, the US has only had one female candidate in my memory for President, and she was the wife of one of the US highest profile presidents.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Apr 13 9.31am |
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Quote scififan2001 at 17 Apr 2013 11.22pm
What a total pile of s***!!
It's little nuances like this that show the true bias in the media. The use of language in this way is not exclusive to the conservative Although conservative media has a primacy of proliferation - the mistake is to see the media as pro-conservative / pro-labour or pro-liberal - When in fact its all pro-corporate and pro-capitalist. I'd recommend the excellent 'Manufacturing Consent' on how the media manipulates and is manipulated, as propaganda towards a status quo.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Apr 13 9.36am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Apr 2013 4.51pm
Of course he would also have forgiven her. Feeding the poor, clothing them and curing the sick? Isn't that the embodiment of alms on which the welfare state is based. All that harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel through the eye of the needle etc, turning over the money lenders tables, the virtues of non-materialism run through the New Testament. The shunning of owning material possessions etc. Lets face it Jesus was an Anarchist, right down to the beard and sandles, and Thatcher would have hated him, and so would have every politician since time immemorial. No none of those things prove that he supported the idea of a welfare state. As he had declared himself divine he could have called for any of these systems but he didn't.....I'm well aware we are being a bit ridiculous here. He was only against money lenders in the temple, not outside it. The 'eye of the needle' thing is meant to be about the 'love of money' not necessarily having it......The Church is one of the richest institution....I recognise that this is a weak answer but that's how they see it. Yes, he didn't value materialism. Definately a bit ridiculous, as I don't believe in god or that jesus (if he existed) was divine! But on the bolded part, Thatcher represents the politics of materialism, she promoted a consumer society which is entirely materialistic. The notion of values became on based on money and ownership.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 13 9.36am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 9.26am
Now that I would argue is something worth a ceremonial send off (although not the first female leader ever, that honour goes to either Sri Lanka/Argentina or Iceland dependent on your criteria). Its significance shoud not be overated, the US has only had one female candidate in my memory for President, and she was the wife of one of the US highest profile presidents. It's been nice to note how a lot of young girls have realised just what an achievement Thatcher made against giant odds.....Many have only heard about her for the first time over this period. Regardless of people's politics I think many young girls see that aspect as an inspiration. Girls frequently make the best students at younger ages but too many of them lose ambition as they get older and their priorities change.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 13 9.45am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 9.36am
Definately a bit ridiculous, as I don't believe in god or that jesus (if he existed) was divine! But on the bolded part, Thatcher represents the politics of materialism, she promoted a consumer society which is entirely materialistic. The notion of values became on based on money and ownership.
But I don't know many people who want to trade in their current car for a naffer model....Move to a smaller or more simple house.....Equalise their wages with people paid lower than them. All Thatcher did was promote what capitalism does well, and that's feed people's desire to get on and improve their lives.....Capitalism isn't about fairness, that's for the regulation of capitalism to achieve. In my view the most important thing a government does is keep its population safe and then provide jobs...The economy. In my book everything else comes a very distant third and pretty much constitutes a distraction with waffle with a lot of egoism thrown in.
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