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eaglesdare 24 Feb 22 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I know what you stated! What I want to know is why you state it. What is the "information" you have based it on? It's not complicated, and it's not difficult, so please stop the prevarication and justify your position with facts, and not empty statements. On top of that as you completely ignore the fact that your action does impact others, you also need to justify your selfishness. Please don't just repeat your previous "statement" and try to actually answer the questions.
Only selfishness is comming from people like you who continue push, bully people to be vaccinated against thier will through coercion tactics which is against the nuremberg code.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 22 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Only selfishness is comming from people like you who continue push, bully people to be vaccinated against thier will through coercion tactics which is against the nuremberg code. I asked you, very politely, not to repeat your previous statement but to explain, and share, the information that it is based on. "Informative decisions" depend on information. What is that information? Your decision DOES affect other people. As soon as you make any kind of contact with another person, occupy a space, or touch an object that they might, you impact them. If you have a right to decide this for yourself I, and others, have a right not to be impacted by it. That's not selfishness. It's protection. Seeking to trample over our right to protect ourselves is what is selfish. If you want to remain unvaccinated then you must also accept the need to remain isolated from those who are.
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eaglesdare 24 Feb 22 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I asked you, very politely, not to repeat your previous statement but to explain, and share, the information that it is based on. "Informative decisions" depend on information. What is that information? Your decision DOES affect other people. As soon as you make any kind of contact with another person, occupy a space, or touch an object that they might, you impact them. If you have a right to decide this for yourself I, and others, have a right not to be impacted by it. That's not selfishness. It's protection. Seeking to trample over our right to protect ourselves is what is selfish. If you want to remain unvaccinated then you must also accept the need to remain isolated from those who are. Heres one link: Its from the NHS website: "The MHRA is carrying out a detailed review of reports of an extremely rare blood clotting problem affecting a small number of people who had the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. It's not yet clear why it affects some people." I do not accept this risk to my health and well within my rights to decline. numerous reports of people with the other vaccines having the same. No reason for me to risk a blood clot over somthing that has a 99.9 percent chance of survival if / when i get it again. As I have said I have made the informative decision to not be vaccinated. My decision does not affect you or impact anyone else. As previously stated your bulling tactics go against the nuremberg code. Anyways doesnt matter anymore. the pandemic is over you have your vax....move on!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 22 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Heres one link: Its from the NHS website: "The MHRA is carrying out a detailed review of reports of an extremely rare blood clotting problem affecting a small number of people who had the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. It's not yet clear why it affects some people." I do not accept this risk to my health and well within my rights to decline. numerous reports of people with the other vaccines having the same. No reason for me to risk a blood clot over somthing that has a 99.9 percent chance of survival if / when i get it again. As I have said I have made the informative decision to not be vaccinated. My decision does not affect you or impact anyone else. As previously stated your bulling tactics go against the nuremberg code. Anyways doesnt matter anymore. the pandemic is over you have your vax....move on! You, deliberately I suspect, ignore the very first paragraph. I won't:- "Millions of people have had a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine and the safety of the vaccines continues to be monitored. Reports of serious side effects are very rare." It goes on to explain how the vaccines are developed, tested and approved as safe. So any risk is "extremely rare". Your claim of a 99.9% chance of recovery isn't true as we don't yet know the long term implications of long covid, but even a 0.1% chance is still much higher than extremely rare. That though is NOT the most important reason. To act solely in your own interest is completely selfish. One day you will be old, and you may become vulnerable. You will then need people to behave responsibly to help you. This persistent claim that it doesn't impact anyone else is obvious nonsense. It does. This has nothing to do with bullying. It has only to do with trying to defeat the scourge of misinformation. It has even less to do with the "Nuremberg Code". No-one is experimenting on anyone against their will. They are trying to encourage common sense, tested, safe public health measures which protect people. Your use of this as a reason not to do it is clear evidence of you being impacted by conspiracy theories. Please tell us where you have read this? The pandemic is NOT over. The last wave is in decline. Better weather is coming. We have new drugs. Most of us have behaved responsibly and been vaccinated. But it's not over. Another variant could be just around the corner. A new pandemic could start, and we need everybody ready to work together.
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eaglesdare 24 Feb 22 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You, deliberately I suspect, ignore the very first paragraph. I won't:- "Millions of people have had a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine and the safety of the vaccines continues to be monitored. Reports of serious side effects are very rare." It goes on to explain how the vaccines are developed, tested and approved as safe. So any risk is "extremely rare". Your claim of a 99.9% chance of recovery isn't true as we don't yet know the long term implications of long covid, but even a 0.1% chance is still much higher than extremely rare. That though is NOT the most important reason. To act solely in your own interest is completely selfish. One day you will be old, and you may become vulnerable. You will then need people to behave responsibly to help you. This persistent claim that it doesn't impact anyone else is obvious nonsense. It does. This has nothing to do with bullying. It has only to do with trying to defeat the scourge of misinformation. It has even less to do with the "Nuremberg Code". No-one is experimenting on anyone against their will. They are trying to encourage common sense, tested, safe public health measures which protect people. Your use of this as a reason not to do it is clear evidence of you being impacted by conspiracy theories. Please tell us where you have read this? The pandemic is NOT over. The last wave is in decline. Better weather is coming. We have new drugs. Most of us have behaved responsibly and been vaccinated. But it's not over. Another variant could be just around the corner. A new pandemic could start, and we need everybody ready to work together. Whatever you say bro! :P
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 22 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Whatever you say bro! :P Game, set and Djokovic. Maybe you should volunteer to go face the Russians in Kyiv as you obviously are impervious to threats without needing to take any kind of protection.
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eaglesdare 24 Feb 22 5.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Game, set and Djokovic. Maybe you should volunteer to go face the Russians in Kyiv as you obviously are impervious to threats without needing to take any kind of protection. I would rather join the Russians tbh! :-)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 22 9.46pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I would rather join the Russians tbh! :-) Given the quality of the other decisions we know you have made this is really not a surprise.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 22 3.46pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 22 10.01pm | |
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He makes a well argued case which, alongside everything else we learned, will doubtless inform us should we face identical circumstances again. There will always be someone with a theory which looks as though it might have been better, after the event. Hindsight being a wonderful thing. We don't all win the lottery each week, but someone does. Nor do we bet the house on someone's theory. We only ever risk what we can afford to lose. I think though his argument doesn't really address the primary reason why we decided to lockdown. We faced a situation which looked as though it was getting out of control. We knew little about the virus and had no treatments, or vaccines. The overwhelming reason was to make sure the NHS could still function. The knock on impacts were predicted, but were in the future. We were dealing with the now, under pressure and in a crisis. There were dissenting voices, but the consensus was for maximum caution. In the circumstances that existed then I think the right decisions were taken.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 22 10.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He makes a well argued case which, alongside everything else we learned, will doubtless inform us should we face identical circumstances again. There will always be someone with a theory which looks as though it might have been better, after the event. Hindsight being a wonderful thing. We don't all win the lottery each week, but someone does. Nor do we bet the house on someone's theory. We only ever risk what we can afford to lose. I think though his argument doesn't really address the primary reason why we decided to lockdown. We faced a situation which looked as though it was getting out of control. We knew little about the virus and had no treatments, or vaccines. The overwhelming reason was to make sure the NHS could still function. The knock on impacts were predicted, but were in the future. We were dealing with the now, under pressure and in a crisis. There were dissenting voices, but the consensus was for maximum caution. In the circumstances that existed then I think the right decisions were taken. I’m not sure the knock on effects were predicted and indeed haven’t been fully felt as yet. When it comes to contrary views Steaua Bucharest’s owner is a bit keen.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Feb 22 10.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I’m not sure the knock on effects were predicted and indeed haven’t been fully felt as yet. When it comes to contrary views Steaua Bucharest’s owner is a bit keen. Keen? Frigging stupid more like!
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