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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 6.09pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol That's easily answered. Why would you go to great lengths and dramatic change if there's no benefit ? All brexiters say is it won't be as bad as people make out, but never explain how we'll be better off. Then why bother? The benefit is that we're out of the EU and all it entails. That the rules we live under originate in the UK and nowhere else. That's always been the aim. Why do so many people find this so difficult to understand? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 6.09pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

That's easily answered. Why would you go to great lengths and dramatic change if there's no benefit ?

All brexiters say is it won't be as bad as people make out, but never explain how we'll be better off. Then why bother?

The benefit is that we're out of the EU and all it entails. That the rules we live under originate in the UK and nowhere else. That's always been the aim.

Why do so many people find this so difficult to understand?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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chris123 hove actually 11 Dec 18 6.09pm
Originally posted by elgrande Well I'm sorry you lost your job. But I don't agree with all this Paris and Frankfurt balls,I listened to the wireless the other day that the city of London is being swamped with people looking for business leases. We will still be the financial services leader. There was an article in the FT last week on this - plus the tech sector demand for London office space is also strong.
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hove actually 11 Dec 18 6.09pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Well I'm sorry you lost your job.
But I don't agree with all this Paris and Frankfurt balls,I listened
to the wireless the other day that the city of London is being swamped with people looking for business leases.
We will still be the financial services leader.

There was an article in the FT last week on this - plus the tech sector demand for London office space is also strong.

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.11pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Wow, people don't understand for what they would be voting yet understood it two years ago. You ever been a figure skater? (h)rofl
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Wow, people don't understand for what they would be voting yet understood it two years ago. You ever been a figure skater?

(h)rofl

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 6.14pm
Originally posted by steve1984 (h)rofl What happened to Tawny? Did you forget the password?
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Originally posted by steve1984

(h)rofl

What happened to Tawny? Did you forget the password?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 6.15pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Knowledge is accumulated over time. That fact doesn't mean that everyone is wiser today than they were yesterday but nevertheless the principle still holds true (No I don't support a 2nd vote) Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 6.07pm) The only knowledge that I've gathered throughout all of this is that it's now confirmed beyond doubt how vindictive and intransigent the EU really is (although I'd long suspected it). Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 6.15pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Knowledge is accumulated over time. That fact doesn't mean that everyone is wiser today than they were yesterday but nevertheless the principle still holds true

(No I don't support a 2nd vote)

Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 6.07pm)

The only knowledge that I've gathered throughout all of this is that it's now confirmed beyond doubt how vindictive and intransigent the EU really is (although I'd long suspected it).

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.18pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Well it would have to be a binding vote on the government and the government would have to put measures in place to carry out the result, if you want another vote. preferably Parliament because Parliament is the final arbiter. But I'm not sure that is even possible.
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well it would have to be a binding vote on the government and the government would have to put measures in place to carry out the result, if you want another vote.

preferably Parliament because Parliament is the final arbiter. But I'm not sure that is even possible.

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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 18 6.24pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Huh? jealous adjective feeling resentment against someone because of that person's rivalry, success, or advantages (often followed by of): He was jealous of his rich brother. feeling resentment because of another's success, advantage, etc. (often followed by of): He was jealous of his brother's wealth. Jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have and value....ie a jealous god is concerned to lose believers to false idols. Envy is when you want what someone else has.....which was the context you should have been using. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Dec 18 6.24pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Huh?

jealous

adjective

feeling resentment against someone because of that person's rivalry, success, or advantages (often followed by of):
He was jealous of his rich brother.

feeling resentment because of another's success, advantage, etc. (often followed by of):
He was jealous of his brother's wealth.

Jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have and value....ie a jealous god is concerned to lose believers to false idols.

Envy is when you want what someone else has.....which was the context you should have been using.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.34pm)

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.31pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt The only knowledge that I've gathered throughout all of this is that it's now confirmed beyond doubt how vindictive and intransigent the EU really is (although I'd long suspected it). And herein lies an interesting argument. The EU is a bloody great big restrictive practice. Outlawed by competition law for businesses so that Pepsi and Coca-Cola can't fix the price of fizzy pop and clean up but for some reason that's quite beyond me, entirely acceptable in international trade. The idea is a simple one. In a capitalist economy, the big guys eat the little guys. So the little guys get together to protect their common interests. The UK generates only 3% of global GDP and is shrinking. With such little economic clout an economy will struggle when trading with a larger player. And so we have in our negotiations with the EU, which is appreciably bigger. And yet STILL I read people saying that the Germans need us to buy their BMWs! Actually the Germans have also seen that the growth markets, that the Brexit politicians dangle in front of our noses like some mystical holy grail, are elsewhere. That's why they're busy selling BMWs into China and India where year after year they sell significantly more cars whilst the number that we buy falls. The EU might well be vindictive and intransigent but those are exactly the same attributes they deploy when negotiating on our behalf. Let's get smaller, that'll help. Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 6.41pm)
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.31pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

The only knowledge that I've gathered throughout all of this is that it's now confirmed beyond doubt how vindictive and intransigent the EU really is (although I'd long suspected it).

And herein lies an interesting argument.

The EU is a bloody great big restrictive practice. Outlawed by competition law for businesses so that Pepsi and Coca-Cola can't fix the price of fizzy pop and clean up but for some reason that's quite beyond me, entirely acceptable in international trade.

The idea is a simple one. In a capitalist economy, the big guys eat the little guys. So the little guys get together to protect their common interests.

The UK generates only 3% of global GDP and is shrinking. With such little economic clout an economy will struggle when trading with a larger player.

And so we have in our negotiations with the EU, which is appreciably bigger.

And yet STILL I read people saying that the Germans need us to buy their BMWs! Actually the Germans have also seen that the growth markets, that the Brexit politicians dangle in front of our noses like some mystical holy grail, are elsewhere. That's why they're busy selling BMWs into China and India where year after year they sell significantly more cars whilst the number that we buy falls.

The EU might well be vindictive and intransigent but those are exactly the same attributes they deploy when negotiating on our behalf.

Let's get smaller, that'll help.

Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 6.41pm)

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.36pm
I would argue that there are many better reasons for leaving the EU than their intransigence. Their intransigence is a strength. As long as you're inside it.
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.36pm

I would argue that there are many better reasons for leaving the EU than their intransigence. Their intransigence is a strength. As long as you're inside it.

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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.50pm
It's all very well being the world's 6th largest economy (soon to be 7th as India surges ahead) but we're still rather small. UK 3% EU about 12-13% (excl UK) India 3% and growing like the clappers and don't they just know it. China 15% US 24% I have no faith in our ability to reach favourable trade deals with China or India after this debacle. [Link] Libya, Vietnam, Ivory Coast & Bangladesh are the fastest growing economies but how much stuff can you sell a country with an economy the size of Libya that's so small I can't even work out how to calculate its insignificant % of global GDP? [Link] Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 6.57pm)
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steve1984 11 Dec 18 6.50pm

It's all very well being the world's 6th largest economy (soon to be 7th as India surges ahead) but we're still rather small.

UK 3%
EU about 12-13% (excl UK)
India 3% and growing like the clappers and don't they just know it.
China 15%
US 24%

I have no faith in our ability to reach favourable trade deals with China or India after this debacle.

[Link]

Libya, Vietnam, Ivory Coast & Bangladesh are the fastest growing economies but how much stuff can you sell a country with an economy the size of Libya that's so small I can't even work out how to calculate its insignificant % of global GDP?

[Link]

Edited by steve1984 (11 Dec 2018 6.57pm)

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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 18 6.52pm
Have we left yet.....are we there yet? If we fall into a coma and wake up after a year....what's the odds in us still being in this weird mixed conclave of neo liberal corporate socialists. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Dec 18 6.52pm

Have we left yet.....are we there yet?

If we fall into a coma and wake up after a year....what's the odds in us still being in this weird mixed conclave of neo liberal corporate socialists.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2018 6.54pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 6.55pm
Originally posted by steve1984 I would argue that there are many better reasons for leaving the EU than their intransigence. Their intransigence is a strength. As long as you're inside it. Nowhere did I say that their intransigence was a reason for voting to leave. I said that their demonstration of it served only to reinforce my belief that my vote was the correct one. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 6.55pm

Originally posted by steve1984

I would argue that there are many better reasons for leaving the EU than their intransigence. Their intransigence is a strength. As long as you're inside it.

Nowhere did I say that their intransigence was a reason for voting to leave. I said that their demonstration of it served only to reinforce my belief that my vote was the correct one.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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