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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 22 6.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I'm still unvaccinated and unfortunately have contracted COVID. Less a logical or in any way purposeful decision, more lazy procrastination followed by a bout of serious, non-COVID related illness and hospital stays on my behalf. My hope now is that of course I get through it and can then sneak through the side entrance into the grand gathering where the 500 of us left have survived having not been purged/involuntarily euthanized by these so-called 'elites' with their 'vaccines'. I do hope this is a joke! I am though sorry to hear about your health problems and hope that catching Covid doesn't mean you have now been compromised by co-morbidities.
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eaglesdare 23 Feb 22 6.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Please share this "science" with us. No science I have seen on this suggests not getting vaccinated is a wise decision, so if you have genuine scientific evidence to the contrary I would be pleased to know it. There is a very big problem with the idea that people are entitled to make this kind of decision solely on their own. If that decision has the potential to impact the health of others, and it does, then those others also have a right to a view on it. They also have the right to refuse contact with those they fear, and to avoid socialisation with them. If the others outnumber the dissenters, then it's the dissenters who will be excluded. That's just commercial sense. Where two rights complete, one must ultimately trump the other, and someone needs to arbitrate on which it is. That someone is the government, and up to now they have bottled it. Whether they will in the future remains to be seen. The science is there. I am sure you have done your own research and looked at the science and came to an informed decision to be vaccinated. As I have done I have gathered my own research, looked at the science and came to informed decision about my body. Fortunately my decision does not affect anyone else or their health around me. If you or anyone else feels the need to stay away from myself and other Unvaccinated people then good for you! Stay away that's your decision! :-) I won't loose anymore sleep over it! :-)
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Feb 22 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I do hope this is a joke! I am though sorry to hear about your health problems and hope that catching Covid doesn't mean you have now been compromised by co-morbidities. Rest easily WE, I am both not displaying any actual COVID symptoms so far and whilst I thoroughly enjoy a good conspiracy theory I am yet to bother going about discrediting or endorsing one. Twas only to make myself chuckle and if iit worried you at all it has served another childish amusement for me
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Stirlingsays 23 Feb 22 8.32pm | |
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I was meant to be looking at links today but I've just lost interest in the whole coronavirus topic.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 22 10.45pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
The science is there. I am sure you have done your own research and looked at the science and came to an informed decision to be vaccinated. As I have done I have gathered my own research, looked at the science and came to informed decision about my body. Fortunately my decision does not affect anyone else or their health around me. If you or anyone else feels the need to stay away from myself and other Unvaccinated people then good for you! Stay away that's your decision! :-) I won't loose anymore sleep over it! :-) Of course I have, and I have frequently referenced it, so it can be examined. I would like you to do the same, so I can see on what basis your "informed" decision has been made. Surely that's not either too much to ask, or too difficult? If it really does give substance to a belief that not getting vaccinated is a wise decision that's important information that must be shared and would be a game changer. Until that happens this is my position. Unless you stay indoors and away from everyone else it's impossible for any unvaccinated person not to pose a potential threat to others. It's far from just those in your immediate circle. Whilst the evidence suggests that currently there are a high level antibodies in the population the recommendation to get vaccinated remains as strong as ever. We need to make vaccination an expected procedure for all who are medically fit to take it, and not allow excuses. Not mandatory, but expected. Those who refuse must then expect their lives will suffer disruption. The choice is theirs, and can be freely made. Just as we have made ours. Unless the unvaccinated are identified as such how can those who wish to avoid them do so? Our rights are being abused by a lack of government action!
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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 23 Feb 22 11.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course I have, and I have frequently referenced it, so it can be examined. I would like you to do the same, so I can see on what basis your "informed" decision has been made. Surely that's not either too much to ask, or too difficult? If it really does give substance to a belief that not getting vaccinated is a wise decision that's important information that must be shared and would be a game changer. Until that happens this is my position. Unless you stay indoors and away from everyone else it's impossible for any unvaccinated person not to pose a potential threat to others. It's far from just those in your immediate circle. Whilst the evidence suggests that currently there are a high level antibodies in the population the recommendation to get vaccinated remains as strong as ever. We need to make vaccination an expected procedure for all who are medically fit to take it, and not allow excuses. Not mandatory, but expected. Those who refuse must then expect their lives will suffer disruption. The choice is theirs, and can be freely made. Just as we have made ours. Unless the unvaccinated are identified as such how can those who wish to avoid them do so? Our rights are being abused by a lack of government action!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 22 11.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I was meant to be looking at links today but I've just lost interest in the whole coronavirus topic. Based on the amount contributed by this source in the past that requires a very large pinch of salt to believe. It seems much more likely to me that the information I provided has proved so conclusive that no amount of wriggling, spinning, data taken out of context or misrepresentations, will make any difference. There is no doubt at all that, despite around 98% of us now carrying C19 antibodies, vaccination is still recommended for everyone. Boosters for the double jabbed. Starting jabs for anyone over 5 who remains unvaccinated. That's because vaccination gives a stronger, longer lasting protection, whether you already have antibodies from natural infection, or not. With more variants anticipated, and no reason to believe they will be as benign as Omicron has proved to be, we need to keep our guard high. It will be interesting to see how long this lack of interest lasts, so we can judge how genuine it is. I can only hope I am wrong!
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Stirlingsays 23 Feb 22 11.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Based on the amount contributed by this source in the past that requires a very large pinch of salt to believe. It seems much more likely to me that the information I provided has proved so conclusive that no amount of wriggling, spinning, data taken out of context or misrepresentations, will make any difference. There is no doubt at all that, despite around 98% of us now carrying C19 antibodies, vaccination is still recommended for everyone. Boosters for the double jabbed. Starting jabs for anyone over 5 who remains unvaccinated. That's because vaccination gives a stronger, longer lasting protection, whether you already have antibodies from natural infection, or not. With more variants anticipated, and no reason to believe they will be as benign as Omicron has proved to be, we need to keep our guard high. It will be interesting to see how long this lack of interest lasts, so we can judge how genuine it is. I can only hope I am wrong! You sound like you have more nuts than marbles left. I'm just bored with it all....frigging reds coming over the hill and you're screaming about the unclean......Like you say, embrace change. Come here...give us a hug!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 22 11.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You sound like you have more nuts than marbles left. I'm just bored with it all....frigging reds coming over the hill and you're screaming about the unclean......Like you say, embrace change. Come here...give us a hug! There's nothing any of us can do over Putin, who is hardly a red anyway. Much more a mobster. We just pick up the tab and watch. Blowing hot air here is no use. We can though do something positive over C19 vaccination. The pandemic won't disappear because Russia has invaded Ukraine. We mustn't take our eyes off the ball.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Feb 22 11.52pm | |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Edited by grumpymort (23 Feb 2022 11.12pm) You won't be missed. You are not just rude. You are very badly wrong. You have obviously not even understood the links you provided which are specific to Omicron. One, a tiny study in Qatar. Taken as part of the overall they contribute information, but on their own they mean nothing at all. No conclusions of any sort can be drawn. It's as pointless as assuming if we can score 4 goals away on a Wednesday, we must be able to score 6 at home on a Saturday. These are just conclusions searching for straws to grasp amongst the haystacks of data on this subject. The odd piece of straw can be found in a haystack, but most of it is much more nutritious.
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eaglesdare 24 Feb 22 12.05am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course I have, and I have frequently referenced it, so it can be examined. I would like you to do the same, so I can see on what basis your "informed" decision has been made. Surely that's not either too much to ask, or too difficult? If it really does give substance to a belief that not getting vaccinated is a wise decision that's important information that must be shared and would be a game changer. Until that happens this is my position. Unless you stay indoors and away from everyone else it's impossible for any unvaccinated person not to pose a potential threat to others. It's far from just those in your immediate circle. Whilst the evidence suggests that currently there are a high level antibodies in the population the recommendation to get vaccinated remains as strong as ever. We need to make vaccination an expected procedure for all who are medically fit to take it, and not allow excuses. Not mandatory, but expected. Those who refuse must then expect their lives will suffer disruption. The choice is theirs, and can be freely made. Just as we have made ours. Unless the unvaccinated are identified as such how can those who wish to avoid them do so? Our rights are being abused by a lack of government action! As I have already stated. I made an informed decision to not get vaccinated. I have researched it myself and the health benefits to not be vaccinated for me anyway far outweigh that of being vaccinated! Obviously people such as yourself have looked and thought the opposite! No problem there! It does not affect me either! :-) Anyways! None of this matters anyway! And Boone cares anymore and delightedly so! So just look forward to your 4th or 5th booster is it? in the spring! and I will carry on living my life doing the things I love being unvaccinated and unmasked!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 22 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
As I have already stated. I made an informed decision to not get vaccinated. I have researched it myself and the health benefits to not be vaccinated for me anyway far outweigh that of being vaccinated! Obviously people such as yourself have looked and thought the opposite! No problem there! It does not affect me either! :-) Anyways! None of this matters anyway! And Boone cares anymore and delightedly so! So just look forward to your 4th or 5th booster is it? in the spring! and I will carry on living my life doing the things I love being unvaccinated and unmasked! I know what you stated! What I want to know is why you state it. What is the "information" you have based it on? It's not complicated, and it's not difficult, so please stop the prevarication and justify your position with facts, and not empty statements. On top of that as you completely ignore the fact that your action does impact others, you also need to justify your selfishness. Please don't just repeat your previous "statement" and try to actually answer the questions.
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