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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 4.47pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Because it would be contemporaneous, not a vote from two years ago. In any case I think it is blindingly obvious that if two votes within two years have the same outcome, it is genuinely the case that people wish this. The last vote did of course coincide with other political issues and a mass groundswell of opinion on issues not directly linked to the vote. This is the biggest load of bollocks I have read in a long time. How would a second vote be any more valid than the first? You are grabbing excuses out of the air because you lost. Just have the balls to admit it. What you are proposing is completely illogical.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Because it would be contemporaneous, not a vote from two years ago.

In any case I think it is blindingly obvious that if two votes within two years have the same outcome, it is genuinely the case that people wish this.

The last vote did of course coincide with other political issues and a mass groundswell of opinion on issues not directly linked to the vote.

This is the biggest load of bollocks I have read in a long time.

How would a second vote be any more valid than the first?
You are grabbing excuses out of the air because you lost. Just have the balls to admit it. What you are proposing is completely illogical.

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chris123 hove actually 11 Dec 18 4.48pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Wow, people don't understand for what they would be voting yet understood it two years ago. You ever been a figure skater? What did you struggle to understand out of interest?
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hove actually 11 Dec 18 4.48pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Wow, people don't understand for what they would be voting yet understood it two years ago. You ever been a figure skater?

What did you struggle to understand out of interest?

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Matov 11 Dec 18 4.49pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Because when we are out we are out, no votes left. Could not easily re-enter. This is a once in a life time event. LOL. Did you honestly write that with a straight face whilst advocating for a second vote? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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11 Dec 18 4.49pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Because when we are out we are out, no votes left. Could not easily re-enter. This is a once in a life time event.

LOL. Did you honestly write that with a straight face whilst advocating for a second vote?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 4.50pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The first vote was the Tory Party internal politics vote. I don't think anyone can miss that point. You need to explain this clearly. Exactly which part of Tory internal politics were people voting for?
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Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 18 4.50pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The first vote was the Tory Party internal politics vote. I don't think anyone can miss that point.

You need to explain this clearly.
Exactly which part of Tory internal politics were people voting for?

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Pussay Patrol 11 Dec 18 4.51pm
Originally posted by Matov Quite. I have had 'words' with these 'Peoples vote' campaigners and they are truly deranged plus incredibly ignorant of how the EU actually operates. Absolutely no concept of the democratic deficiencies that exist within it. And unable to even offer me a single reason why, if they get their way, I should have any faith what so ever that this would be the final vote on the issue. Because why should the result be anymore valid than the first? Merely the holding of it will be enough to plunge this country into mayhem, let alone the fall out from the result, especially in light of say a mass boycott by Leavers, which I would support whole-heartedly, so that any result is immediately hampered by a much lower turn out. I geuninely cannot comprehend why anybody would think another Leave/Remain vote achieves anything. Merely makes things even worse. Surely demanding any form of brexit ignoring how damaging it will be for our country and knowing it will be worse than staying in the EU is more ignorant? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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11 Dec 18 4.51pm

Originally posted by Matov

Quite. I have had 'words' with these 'Peoples vote' campaigners and they are truly deranged plus incredibly ignorant of how the EU actually operates. Absolutely no concept of the democratic deficiencies that exist within it.

And unable to even offer me a single reason why, if they get their way, I should have any faith what so ever that this would be the final vote on the issue. Because why should the result be anymore valid than the first?

Merely the holding of it will be enough to plunge this country into mayhem, let alone the fall out from the result, especially in light of say a mass boycott by Leavers, which I would support whole-heartedly, so that any result is immediately hampered by a much lower turn out.

I geuninely cannot comprehend why anybody would think another Leave/Remain vote achieves anything. Merely makes things even worse.

Surely demanding any form of brexit ignoring how damaging it will be for our country and knowing it will be worse than staying in the EU is more ignorant?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Matov 11 Dec 18 4.53pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Surely demanding any form of brexit ignoring how damaging it will be for our country and knowing it will be worse than staying in the EU is more ignorant? Why will it be worse? Or do you want me to believe the same people who told me, that just in the event of Leave winning on June 23rd, 500,000 people would lose their jobs? And that the country would enter a recession? And both those were presented as nailed on facts by HMG's Treasury. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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11 Dec 18 4.53pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Surely demanding any form of brexit ignoring how damaging it will be for our country and knowing it will be worse than staying in the EU is more ignorant?

Why will it be worse? Or do you want me to believe the same people who told me, that just in the event of Leave winning on June 23rd, 500,000 people would lose their jobs? And that the country would enter a recession? And both those were presented as nailed on facts by HMG's Treasury.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 18 4.55pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Surely demanding any form of brexit ignoring how damaging it will be for our country and knowing it will be worse than staying in the EU is more ignorant? How can you possibly know what the outcome will be? Do you not understand that some principles might require a bit of pain to achieve. You want to quit at the first hurdle? What a surprise.
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11 Dec 18 4.55pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Surely demanding any form of brexit ignoring how damaging it will be for our country and knowing it will be worse than staying in the EU is more ignorant?

How can you possibly know what the outcome will be?

Do you not understand that some principles might require a bit of pain to achieve.

You want to quit at the first hurdle?

What a surprise.

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Ghostship Norfolk 11 Dec 18 4.58pm
Last weekend in Norwich I had the unfortunate experience of being harassed by someone campaigning for a second referendum, he only looked a kid and turns out he was one of Corbyn's momentum lackeys. Soon told him to foxtrot Oscar whilst pointing out we had already had a people's vote.
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Norfolk 11 Dec 18 4.58pm

Last weekend in Norwich I had the unfortunate experience of being harassed by someone campaigning for a second referendum, he only looked a kid and turns out he was one of Corbyn's momentum lackeys.

Soon told him to foxtrot Oscar whilst pointing out we had already had a people's vote.

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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Dec 18 4.58pm
Originally posted by Matov Why will it be worse? Or do you want me to believe the same people who told me, that just in the event of Leave winning on June 23rd, 500,000 people would lose their jobs? And that the country would enter a recession? And both those were presented as nailed on facts by HMG's Treasury. That is probably more accurate now than it was then. An economic downturn is quite likely, add to it brexit which none of our competitors has, and project fear actually looks quite mild.
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Croydon 11 Dec 18 4.58pm

Originally posted by Matov

That is probably more accurate now than it was then.

An economic downturn is quite likely, add to it brexit which none of our competitors has, and project fear actually looks quite mild.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 5.01pm
Originally posted by Willo Indeed what should be the question posed ? A binary choice between the May deal or No deal ? The May deal or No Brexit ? No deal or no Brexit ? Based on the fact that 'Leave' won the referendum, the first option would ensure we actually leave so perhaps this is the one which should prevail ! Suspect there would be protracted debate apropos the question that should be asked !!!! Nail on the head, Willo. All this clamouring for the so-called 'People's Vote' and nobody seems to have a clue what the question should actually be. The whole notion of it is farcical. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 5.01pm

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed what should be the question posed ?

A binary choice between the May deal or No deal ?
The May deal or No Brexit ?
No deal or no Brexit ?
Based on the fact that 'Leave' won the referendum, the first option would ensure we actually leave so perhaps this is the one which should prevail !
Suspect there would be protracted debate apropos the question that should be asked !!!!

Nail on the head, Willo. All this clamouring for the so-called 'People's Vote' and nobody seems to have a clue what the question should actually be. The whole notion of it is farcical.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 5.06pm
Originally posted by chris123 What did you struggle to understand out of interest? Nothing. Read the post properly. I was paraphrasing.
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Originally posted by chris123

What did you struggle to understand out of interest?

Nothing. Read the post properly. I was paraphrasing.

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Matov 11 Dec 18 5.08pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That is probably more accurate now than it was then. An economic downturn is quite likely, add to it brexit which none of our competitors has, and project fear actually looks quite mild. But Project Fear was factored into peoples decision-making process prior to June 23rd. To be honest, it caused me to experience some mild discomfort but in the end I chose to vote Leave because I believed that any short term pain was worth it for the benefits mid to long term. And by the close of business on the 24th, the FTSE100 finished higher than it had been on the previous Monday. The entire mantra of 'it's the economy stupid' proved to be a falsehood with regards to this issue and simply put, nobody believes Project Fear anymore, no matter how much more relevant it might be this time around. And why I struggle to get my head around Remainers. Why on earth would they think that if they beat us around the head with economic forecasts from people proven spectacular wrong before along with telling us all that we are a combination of racist, bigotted, illiterate and unable to count hence why we need to vote again that somehow we are all going to acquiesce to trotting along and casting our votes again in good faith that this time it might actually count? Because we won't. Why on earth should I believe anybody who tells me that another vote will be anymore valid than the first? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

11 Dec 18 5.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That is probably more accurate now than it was then.

An economic downturn is quite likely, add to it brexit which none of our competitors has, and project fear actually looks quite mild.

But Project Fear was factored into peoples decision-making process prior to June 23rd. To be honest, it caused me to experience some mild discomfort but in the end I chose to vote Leave because I believed that any short term pain was worth it for the benefits mid to long term.

And by the close of business on the 24th, the FTSE100 finished higher than it had been on the previous Monday.

The entire mantra of 'it's the economy stupid' proved to be a falsehood with regards to this issue and simply put, nobody believes Project Fear anymore, no matter how much more relevant it might be this time around.

And why I struggle to get my head around Remainers. Why on earth would they think that if they beat us around the head with economic forecasts from people proven spectacular wrong before along with telling us all that we are a combination of racist, bigotted, illiterate and unable to count hence why we need to vote again that somehow we are all going to acquiesce to trotting along and casting our votes again in good faith that this time it might actually count?

Because we won't. Why on earth should I believe anybody who tells me that another vote will be anymore valid than the first?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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