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Eaglecoops CR3 21 Feb 22 4.19pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Helpful BlueJay, thank you. I should however clarify, I may have unintentionally misled here, that I am now eligible (went back for check up, bloods and a couple scans etc recently) however did not perhaps act quickly enough and should have immediately got my lazy self down there. If it evokes any sympathy, I was still quite ill and making myself a cup of tea and transporting it without spilling was cause for celebration not too long ago. So have to acknowledge my personal responsibility here however was trying to warn more against the likelihood of still being infected, despite my situation demanding I be extra cautious, and that whilst I may manage to make it through somewhat OK, I am still a relatively young and healthy man otherwise and others may not be quite so lucky (still acknowledging the necessity to return to normal life at some point). Haven't been to SP at all this season, although my ST has been put to good use, which is of course a major concern We all wish you well Nicholas, make sure you take special care of yourself during days 4 or 5 to 10 as it can flare up during this period. As others have said, speak to your GP and see what they say. I think the crux of this is what Stirling has just said, despite best efforts you cannot avoid it as it is like trying to avoid a cold. I am still baffled though why when I caught it my other half didn’t. The only conclusion we could draw was that she had already had it asymptomatically. Edited by Eaglecoops (21 Feb 2022 4.21pm)
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CR3 21 Feb 22 4.19pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Helpful BlueJay, thank you.

I should however clarify, I may have unintentionally misled here, that I am now eligible (went back for check up, bloods and a couple scans etc recently) however did not perhaps act quickly enough and should have immediately got my lazy self down there. If it evokes any sympathy, I was still quite ill and making myself a cup of tea and transporting it without spilling was cause for celebration not too long ago.

So have to acknowledge my personal responsibility here however was trying to warn more against the likelihood of still being infected, despite my situation demanding I be extra cautious, and that whilst I may manage to make it through somewhat OK, I am still a relatively young and healthy man otherwise and others may not be quite so lucky (still acknowledging the necessity to return to normal life at some point).

Haven't been to SP at all this season, although my ST has been put to good use, which is of course a major concern

We all wish you well Nicholas, make sure you take special care of yourself during days 4 or 5 to 10 as it can flare up during this period. As others have said, speak to your GP and see what they say.

I think the crux of this is what Stirling has just said, despite best efforts you cannot avoid it as it is like trying to avoid a cold. I am still baffled though why when I caught it my other half didn’t. The only conclusion we could draw was that she had already had it asymptomatically.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 22 4.28pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops We all wish you well Nicholas, make sure you take special care of yourself during days 4 or 5 to 10 as it can flare up during this period. As others have said, speak to your GP and see what they say. I think the crux of this is what Stirling has just said, despite best efforts you cannot avoid it as it is like trying to avoid a cold. I am still baffled though why when I caught it my other half didn’t. The only conclusion we could draw was that she had already had it asymptomatically. Edited by Eaglecoops (21 Feb 2022 4.21pm) Thanks again EC, blimey I didn't expect much sympathy but am very grateful to the community on here for the kind and helpful words. Sage advice indeed, I am usually a 'wait until my head is falling off' kind of guy however I may actually contact King's (where I was) to speak to my consultant, given my condition, and at the very least yes the GP too. My wife has been displaying overt symptoms since last week whilst I have had none really asides from that runny nose this morning so I'm keeping everything crossed for now. When it rains it pours eh? Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 22 4.28pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

We all wish you well Nicholas, make sure you take special care of yourself during days 4 or 5 to 10 as it can flare up during this period. As others have said, speak to your GP and see what they say.

Edited by Eaglecoops (21 Feb 2022 4.21pm)

Thanks again EC, blimey I didn't expect much sympathy but am very grateful to the community on here for the kind and helpful words.

Sage advice indeed, I am usually a 'wait until my head is falling off' kind of guy however I may actually contact King's (where I was) to speak to my consultant, given my condition, and at the very least yes the GP too.

My wife has been displaying overt symptoms since last week whilst I have had none really asides from that runny nose this morning so I'm keeping everything crossed for now. When it rains it pours eh?

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 5.40pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But the decision has to be taken at some stage and after lock downs, being vaccinated X3 and still, in Scotland, wearing a mask everywhere now seems a good time to let people make their own decisions. Keeping restrictions in place is just as politically motivated as removing them. As I’ve previously said, I had the jabs for the same reason I have an injection at the dentists - self interest. The government can ignore what you do at the dentist as it affects no-one but yourself. It's different when what you decide impacts others. There they need to be involved, on behalf of all the others. You made a decision that doesn't need to be challenged. Some haven't. They do. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 5.40pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But the decision has to be taken at some stage and after lock downs, being vaccinated X3 and still, in Scotland, wearing a mask everywhere now seems a good time to let people make their own decisions.
Keeping restrictions in place is just as politically motivated as removing them.
As I’ve previously said, I had the jabs for the same reason I have an injection at the dentists - self interest.

The government can ignore what you do at the dentist as it affects no-one but yourself. It's different when what you decide impacts others. There they need to be involved, on behalf of all the others. You made a decision that doesn't need to be challenged. Some haven't. They do.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 22 5.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The government can ignore what you do at the dentist as it affects no-one but yourself. It's different when what you decide impacts others. There they need to be involved, on behalf of all the others. You made a decision that doesn't need to be challenged. Some haven't. They do. Every day people get into cars. Every day that impacts others who are either injured or die. Life can't be lived risk free. The decisions made have already stolen the wealth of unborn generations.....So when you talk about caring about how things impact others you don't know the half of it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Feb 22 5.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Every day people get into cars.

Every day that impacts others who are either injured or die.

Life can't be lived risk free.

The decisions made have already stolen the wealth of unborn generations.....So when you talk about caring about how things impact others you don't know the half of it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 21 Feb 22 5.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The government can ignore what you do at the dentist as it affects no-one but yourself. It's different when what you decide impacts others. There they need to be involved, on behalf of all the others. You made a decision that doesn't need to be challenged. Some haven't. They do. That’s why I mentioned self interest. If my getting vaccinated helps anyone else then great but it wasn’t the reason I got jabbed. The country is now 90% vaccinated but that doesn’t stop people from catching or spreading the virus - what should we do? Carry on with these restrictions until another variant shows up against which the vaccine may not work?
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Teddy Eagle

21 Feb 22 5.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That’s why I mentioned self interest. If my getting vaccinated helps anyone else then great but it wasn’t the reason I got jabbed.
The country is now 90% vaccinated but that doesn’t stop people from catching or spreading the virus - what should we do? Carry on with these restrictions until another variant shows up against which the vaccine may not work?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 5.59pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Why would it return with a nasty variant which goes totally against the normal life cycle of a virus. More transmissible, possibly, more nasty, unlikely. I couldn’t believe the doom mongers when Omicron was first discovered predicting 100s of thousands of deaths and hospitals on their knees. Of course it didn’t happen because their so called science failed to take into account the information provided by South African doctors who had good experience of the variant that was totally to the contrary and went on to be rather predictably correct . Thankfully, Boris opted not to take the Sage advice and aren’t we all glad he did otherwise we’d still be like Scotland with Jimmy Krankie running around trying to drum up support for masks, lockdowns, in fact anything that is contrary to what England has done. I definitely do not believe in kids being given the vaccine although I respect parents choice and as for anyone left over the age of 18 who does not want it, then that is their own decision and they have presumably weighed the risks in their own minds. It’s time to move on and live with it. No-one predicted anything of the sort. They warned about a worst case scenario and not to throw caution to the wind. As I said at the time it is always wise to be cautious and then release early, once the facts are known. The SA data wasn't trusted, because of the probability of underreporting. We needed data based on facts we established ourselves. Boris, already under pressure from discontented backbenchers, decided to politicise his decision-making and now seems to be doing it again. If the science says it's necessary for all children to be vaccinated, then vaccinated they should be. Whether that is for MMR or Covid. We don't allow parents not to educate their children. They either attend school or must be at home (although I would restrict that significantly). Why allow them to take risks with their children's health? Why allow them to think they know better than the experts? Parents don't own their children. They are responsible for them, and their care, and we, via the Government, have a duty to set standards. Being vaccinated is one. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 5.59pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Why would it return with a nasty variant which goes totally against the normal life cycle of a virus. More transmissible, possibly, more nasty, unlikely.

I couldn’t believe the doom mongers when Omicron was first discovered predicting 100s of thousands of deaths and hospitals on their knees. Of course it didn’t happen because their so called science failed to take into account the information provided by South African doctors who had good experience of the variant that was totally to the contrary and went on to be rather predictably correct .

Thankfully, Boris opted not to take the Sage advice and aren’t we all glad he did otherwise we’d still be like Scotland with Jimmy Krankie running around trying to drum up support for masks, lockdowns, in fact anything that is contrary to what England has done.

I definitely do not believe in kids being given the vaccine although I respect parents choice and as for anyone left over the age of 18 who does not want it, then that is their own decision and they have presumably weighed the risks in their own minds. It’s time to move on and live with it.

No-one predicted anything of the sort. They warned about a worst case scenario and not to throw caution to the wind. As I said at the time it is always wise to be cautious and then release early, once the facts are known. The SA data wasn't trusted, because of the probability of underreporting. We needed data based on facts we established ourselves.

Boris, already under pressure from discontented backbenchers, decided to politicise his decision-making and now seems to be doing it again.

If the science says it's necessary for all children to be vaccinated, then vaccinated they should be. Whether that is for MMR or Covid. We don't allow parents not to educate their children. They either attend school or must be at home (although I would restrict that significantly). Why allow them to take risks with their children's health? Why allow them to think they know better than the experts? Parents don't own their children. They are responsible for them, and their care, and we, via the Government, have a duty to set standards. Being vaccinated is one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 6.10pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That’s why I mentioned self interest. If my getting vaccinated helps anyone else then great but it wasn’t the reason I got jabbed. The country is now 90% vaccinated but that doesn’t stop people from catching or spreading the virus - what should we do? Carry on with these restrictions until another variant shows up against which the vaccine may not work? I am not talking about the restrictions. I am talking about the motivation behind releasing them now and the way it's being handled. My concern is that the unvaccinated will feel vindicated and that those not yet getting boosters will no longer feel the need to. The relaxation needs to be balanced by a big push to get everyone, but those medically unable, vaccinated. Now that we have lost the ability to only open up to the vaccinated we need to find new ways to encourage this. I think there is a very important principle at stake here. Not only does this matter for Covid, but the ground rules need to be clearly established for the next time. Backsliders need to know what their selfish behaviour means to us, and what restrictions will be placed on them as a consequence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 6.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I am not talking about the restrictions. I am talking about the motivation behind releasing them now and the way it's being handled.

My concern is that the unvaccinated will feel vindicated and that those not yet getting boosters will no longer feel the need to.

The relaxation needs to be balanced by a big push to get everyone, but those medically unable, vaccinated. Now that we have lost the ability to only open up to the vaccinated we need to find new ways to encourage this.

I think there is a very important principle at stake here. Not only does this matter for Covid, but the ground rules need to be clearly established for the next time.

Backsliders need to know what their selfish behaviour means to us, and what restrictions will be placed on them as a consequence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 22 6.15pm
Apparently the state should have more say over what happens to your children than parents.....KGB or what. This is Maple's 'granite shoreline', Bluejay's 'good bloke'. I can barely contain the laughter. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Feb 22 6.15pm

Apparently the state should have more say over what happens to your children than parents.....KGB or what.

This is Maple's 'granite shoreline', Bluejay's 'good bloke'.

I can barely contain the laughter.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 6.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Every day people get into cars. Every day that impacts others who are either injured or die. Life can't be lived risk free. The decisions made have already stolen the wealth of unborn generations.....So when you talk about caring about how things impact others you don't know the half of it. Some risks cannot be avoided. Some can. We deal with those we can, and do our utmost to mitigate the impacts of those we cannot. We just need to make responsible decisions, and deciding to avoid any risk that can be avoided, is a no-brainer. We can be vaccinated. We use cars with ever more effective safety devices, which mitigate harm. Political decisions on how to manage a country are a completely different subject and a sidetrack to no-where. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 6.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Every day people get into cars.

Every day that impacts others who are either injured or die.

Life can't be lived risk free.

The decisions made have already stolen the wealth of unborn generations.....So when you talk about caring about how things impact others you don't know the half of it.

Some risks cannot be avoided. Some can.

We deal with those we can, and do our utmost to mitigate the impacts of those we cannot. We just need to make responsible decisions, and deciding to avoid any risk that can be avoided, is a no-brainer.

We can be vaccinated. We use cars with ever more effective safety devices, which mitigate harm.

Political decisions on how to manage a country are a completely different subject and a sidetrack to no-where.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 6.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Apparently the state should have more say over what happens to your children than parents.....KGB or what. This is Maple's 'granite shoreline', Bluejay's 'good bloke'. I can barely contain the laughter. More? No. Some? Yes. As pointed out it already possess some. Kids must be educated. What is so different about ensuring their health is looked after? Is health not so important as education? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 6.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Apparently the state should have more say over what happens to your children than parents.....KGB or what.

This is Maple's 'granite shoreline', Bluejay's 'good bloke'.

I can barely contain the laughter.

More? No.

Some? Yes.

As pointed out it already possess some. Kids must be educated. What is so different about ensuring their health is looked after?

Is health not so important as education?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 21 Feb 22 6.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not talking about the restrictions. I am talking about the motivation behind releasing them now and the way it's being handled. My concern is that the unvaccinated will feel vindicated and that those not yet getting boosters will no longer feel the need to. The relaxation needs to be balanced by a big push to get everyone, but those medically unable, vaccinated. Now that we have lost the ability to only open up to the vaccinated we need to find new ways to encourage this. I think there is a very important principle at stake here. Not only does this matter for Covid, but the ground rules need to be clearly established for the next time. Backsliders need to know what their selfish behaviour means to us, and what restrictions will be placed on them as a consequence. From the WHO… The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated. For polio, the threshold is about 80%. COVID vaccinations are already in that range. What restrictions should be imposed on unvaccinated people?
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Teddy Eagle

21 Feb 22 6.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not talking about the restrictions. I am talking about the motivation behind releasing them now and the way it's being handled.

My concern is that the unvaccinated will feel vindicated and that those not yet getting boosters will no longer feel the need to.

I think there is a very important principle at stake here. Not only does this matter for Covid, but the ground rules need to be clearly established for the next time.

Backsliders need to know what their selfish behaviour means to us, and what restrictions will be placed on them as a consequence.

From the WHO…
The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated.
For polio, the threshold is about 80%.

COVID vaccinations are already in that range.

What restrictions should be imposed on unvaccinated people?

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BlueJay UK 21 Feb 22 6.30pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Helpful BlueJay, thank you. I should however clarify, I may have unintentionally misled here, that I am now eligible (went back for check up, bloods and a couple scans etc recently) however did not perhaps act quickly enough and should have immediately got my lazy self down there. If it evokes any sympathy, I was still quite ill and making myself a cup of tea and transporting it without spilling was cause for celebration not too long ago. So have to acknowledge my personal responsibility here however was trying to warn more against the likelihood of still being infected, despite my situation demanding I be extra cautious, and that whilst I may manage to make it through somewhat OK, I am still a relatively young and healthy man otherwise and others may not be quite so lucky (still acknowledging the necessity to return to normal life at some point). Haven't been to SP at all this season, although my ST has been put to good use, which is of course a major concern Oh right, it's a bit of a brighter picture then, so good news . And on the plus side when you're out of the other side of it at least you'll have a level of protection against this and likely other variants.
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UK 21 Feb 22 6.30pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Helpful BlueJay, thank you.

Haven't been to SP at all this season, although my ST has been put to good use, which is of course a major concern

Oh right, it's a bit of a brighter picture then, so good news . And on the plus side when you're out of the other side of it at least you'll have a level of protection against this and likely other variants.

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