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The Dolphin 21 Feb 22 11.39am | |
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I think that the time has come to relax the rules and let people decide.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 22 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
All the numbers are going the right way so yes it is now time to stop all the restrictions. Without balancing that with increasing the expectation for people to get vaccinated? That's what concerns me. The way the message is being received. Allow the vaccination programme to falter, and the pandemic could return with another nasty variant and bite us in the backside next winter.
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Teddy Eagle 21 Feb 22 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With respect that's not the point, is it? It would be if what an individual does impacts them alone, but in this situation what we do as individuals impacts everyone else. A fact that continues to escape the determined vaccine refusers. Ensuring that everyone participates in a collective endeavour to defeat a pandemic requires political leadership, not political opportunism. But the decision has to be taken at some stage and after lock downs, being vaccinated X3 and still, in Scotland, wearing a mask everywhere now seems a good time to let people make their own decisions.
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Eaglecoops CR3 21 Feb 22 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Without balancing that with increasing the expectation for people to get vaccinated? That's what concerns me. The way the message is being received. Allow the vaccination programme to falter, and the pandemic could return with another nasty variant and bite us in the backside next winter. Why would it return with a nasty variant which goes totally against the normal life cycle of a virus. More transmissible, possibly, more nasty, unlikely. I couldn’t believe the doom mongers when Omicron was first discovered predicting 100s of thousands of deaths and hospitals on their knees. Of course it didn’t happen because their so called science failed to take into account the information provided by South African doctors who had good experience of the variant that was totally to the contrary and went on to be rather predictably correct . Thankfully, Boris opted not to take the Sage advice and aren’t we all glad he did otherwise we’d still be like Scotland with Jimmy Krankie running around trying to drum up support for masks, lockdowns, in fact anything that is contrary to what England has done. I definitely do not believe in kids being given the vaccine although I respect parents choice and as for anyone left over the age of 18 who does not want it, then that is their own decision and they have presumably weighed the risks in their own minds. It’s time to move on and live with it.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 22 1.41pm | |
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I woke up to a positive test this morning as did the wife. Felt a bit sniffly but that has subsided now. Given I've had a rough past 12 months with other health problems including hospital stays (months) it is still concerning. I was actually told I was not healthy enough to warrant getting a vaccine (over past year) due to possible risks already being unwell. My hopes and prayers are of course that I may be one of the lucky ones who catch it and see it pass without incident however it is still very concerning. What is still angering me is the ambiguity of the messaging at the moment. I've just erred on the side of caution all the way through but even having self isolated all this year since my discharge in early December I've still managed to catch it. I look over the road to the supermarket and have witnessed the hoards who seem to think that as soon as there was any relaxation that was a green light to start congregating en masse without any masks etc. Kent is hardly a solid barometer for the cognitive competence of the populace but whilst I do understand the necessity for life to get back to 'normal', whatever that is, I still think clear advice and messaging is needed.
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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 22 2.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Why would it return with a nasty variant which goes totally against the normal life cycle of a virus. More transmissible, possibly, more nasty, unlikely. I couldn’t believe the doom mongers when Omicron was first discovered predicting 100s of thousands of deaths and hospitals on their knees. Of course it didn’t happen because their so called science failed to take into account the information provided by South African doctors who had good experience of the variant that was totally to the contrary and went on to be rather predictably correct . Thankfully, Boris opted not to take the Sage advice and aren’t we all glad he did otherwise we’d still be like Scotland with Jimmy Krankie running around trying to drum up support for masks, lockdowns, in fact anything that is contrary to what England has done. I definitely do not believe in kids being given the vaccine although I respect parents choice and as for anyone left over the age of 18 who does not want it, then that is their own decision and they have presumably weighed the risks in their own minds. It’s time to move on and live with it. Fully agree.
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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 22 2.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I woke up to a positive test this morning as did the wife. Felt a bit sniffly but that has subsided now. Given I've had a rough past 12 months with other health problems including hospital stays (months) it is still concerning. I was actually told I was not healthy enough to warrant getting a vaccine (over past year) due to possible risks already being unwell. My hopes and prayers are of course that I may be one of the lucky ones who catch it and see it pass without incident however it is still very concerning. What is still angering me is the ambiguity of the messaging at the moment. I've just erred on the side of caution all the way through but even having self isolated all this year since my discharge in early December I've still managed to catch it. I look over the road to the supermarket and have witnessed the hoards who seem to think that as soon as there was any relaxation that was a green light to start congregating en masse without any masks etc. Kent is hardly a solid barometer for the cognitive competence of the populace but whilst I do understand the necessity for life to get back to 'normal', whatever that is, I still think clear advice and messaging is needed. This does sound concerning. I'm not sure that it's possible to avoid this virus due to the transmissibility being like a cold. If they can't vaccinate you perhaps they could tell you if you have antibodies? There are other treatments and drugs also available for Covid, I heard even vitamin D and zinc helps, but check that out first as hearing something and knowing it are two separate things.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 22 2.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This does sound concerning. I'm not sure that it's possible to avoid this virus due to the transmissibility being like a cold. If they can't vaccinate you perhaps they could tell you if you have antibodies? There are other treatments and drugs also available for Covid, I heard even vitamin D and zinc helps, but check that out first as hearing something and knowing it are two separate things. Cheers Stirling. I am reluctant to say given I've only just tested positive however I am doing that thing of checking to see if I feel unwell every 30mins or so. I honestly feel absolutely fine however, time will tell. I take multivitamins as a daily ritual in any case but I'm sure there is some research I can do.
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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 22 3.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Cheers Stirling. I am reluctant to say given I've only just tested positive however I am doing that thing of checking to see if I feel unwell every 30mins or so. I honestly feel absolutely fine however, time will tell. I take multivitamins as a daily ritual in any case but I'm sure there is some research I can do. You are welcome. Maybe a phone call with the GP could suggest appropriate early infection drugs as well.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Feb 22 3.30pm | |
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So, booster No2 is now being rolled out, where will it all end. Hope Nicholas91 gets better & soon.
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BlueJay UK 21 Feb 22 3.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I woke up to a positive test this morning as did the wife. Felt a bit sniffly but that has subsided now. Given I've had a rough past 12 months with other health problems including hospital stays (months) it is still concerning. I was actually told I was not healthy enough to warrant getting a vaccine (over past year) due to possible risks already being unwell. If they specifically suggested to you not to have the vaccine on account of your health, I would call as suggested and use that as a way to enquire after the aforementioned antibody and antiviral treatments. Ethically, if their suggestion may have put you at a disadvantage immunity wise, they should prioritise giving you access to treatments that will help you. I know the real world doesn't always work like that, but it at least puts your case forward and is a better option than just seeing how it pans out. Being that it's a more mild variant hopefully you'll breeze through ayway, but I'd definitely enquire about the other treatment options ASAP and see what they say.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 22 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
If they specifically suggested to you not to have the vaccine on account of your health, I would call as suggested and use that as a way to enquire after the aforementioned antibody and antiviral treatments. Ethically, if their suggestion may have put you at a disadvantage immunity wise, they should prioritise giving you access to treatments that will help you. I know the real world doesn't always work like that, but it at least puts your case forward and is a better option than just seeing how it pans out. Being that it's a more mild variant hopefully you'll breeze through ayway, but I'd definitely enquire about the other treatment options ASAP and see what they say. Helpful BlueJay, thank you. I should however clarify, I may have unintentionally misled here, that I am now eligible (went back for check up, bloods and a couple scans etc recently) however did not perhaps act quickly enough and should have immediately got my lazy self down there. If it evokes any sympathy, I was still quite ill and making myself a cup of tea and transporting it without spilling was cause for celebration not too long ago. So have to acknowledge my personal responsibility here however was trying to warn more against the likelihood of still being infected, despite my situation demanding I be extra cautious, and that whilst I may manage to make it through somewhat OK, I am still a relatively young and healthy man otherwise and others may not be quite so lucky (still acknowledging the necessity to return to normal life at some point). Haven't been to SP at all this season, although my ST has been put to good use, which is of course a major concern
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