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 Eden Eagle  Kent 11 Feb 22 6.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nobody "loves" lockdowns and to suggest anyone would is indicative of just how gullible some folk are. They would believe anything if it suited their prejudice. Lockdowns were, in the days before mass vaccination, a regrettable necessity. Everyone wants normality restored as soon as it is practical to do so. Practical means that it is safe, and not pre-emptive. There is NO government over-reach. They are trying to manage a pandemic in the least damaging way, valuing life and a functioning health service rather higher than some. I am opposed to mandatory vaccination. I am in favour of only the vaccinated doing some jobs where not to be threatens the lives of others. I favour treating those who refuse vaccination, without a medical exemption, differently to those who join in the national effort to overcome the pandemic. Once we have been able to resume normal life through our efforts it's the unvaccinated who ought not be allowed to. They don't deserve it. Those who believe conspiracy theories are gullible. Those who put personal choice above collective responsibility are selfish. More misinformation from you WE - the Government was very close to locking down again just before Christmas (a couple of months ago) when the vaccination rates were over 90%. How you can say there has been NO Government overreach is staggering- people arrested for walking in the park, thousands of businesses forced to close, children’s education ruined, eye watering debt that will need repaying, people baton charged by the police for protesting against these mandates. I appreciate that it might be difficult for you to empathise or understand just how tough these last 2 years have been for so many people as you are retired, living in Cornwall and getting your income from your pension (possibly Final Salary?) and your buy to let property portfolio. Why don’t you continue to “bunker down” whilst the rest of us will get on with our lives.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 11 Feb 22 8.29am |
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"UP to £4billion of Covid loans and grants swindled by fraudsters will be written off, MPs say. In a scathing report, the MPs warn the soft touch approach sends the wrong message to criminals as well as cheating honest taxpayers. It is a blow to Chancellor Rishi Sunak, already under pressure over Covid cash fraud The Public Accounts Committee took aim at HMRC’s “unambitious plans” for recovering £6billion it paid incorrectly. It says the taxman expects to recover as little as £2billion — and will take years to get through the backlog. Dame Meg Hillier MP, head of the committee, said: “We can ill-afford to be so cavalier over so much taxpayers’ money.
Who are these criminals that took money ? Let me guess,...
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 georgenorman 11 Feb 22 9.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those who believe conspiracy theories are gullible. Those who put personal choice above collective responsibility are selfish. It's the sort of thing Stalin would have said.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Feb 22 10.12am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It's the sort of thing Stalin would have said. Stalin was one of those Liberal do-gooders, to some
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 11 Feb 22 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
More misinformation from you WE - the Government was very close to locking down again just before Christmas (a couple of months ago) when the vaccination rates were over 90%. How you can say there has been NO Government overreach is staggering- people arrested for walking in the park, thousands of businesses forced to close, children’s education ruined, eye watering debt that will need repaying, people baton charged by the police for protesting against these mandates. I appreciate that it might be difficult for you to empathise or understand just how tough these last 2 years have been for so many people as you are retired, living in Cornwall and getting your income from your pension (possibly Final Salary?) and your buy to let property portfolio. Why don’t you continue to “bunker down” whilst the rest of us will get on with our lives. To be fair to WE he is 77, lost £10,000 on a Boris lie and still has to come to terms with a vicarious connection to Jimmy Saville, cut him some slack.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 11.19am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
To be fair to WE he is 77, lost £10,000 on a Boris lie and still has to come to terms with a vicarious connection to Jimmy Saville, cut him some slack. To be fair, the first is true. The second isn't. Yet! I am fighting that very hard. Taking on the government is never easy, as they have rather more resources than me, but I have a variety of methods in process. I have no more "connection" to Saville than anyone else who was aware of him. I was just aware of him via a different route.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
More misinformation from you WE - the Government was very close to locking down again just before Christmas (a couple of months ago) when the vaccination rates were over 90%. How you can say there has been NO Government overreach is staggering- people arrested for walking in the park, thousands of businesses forced to close, children’s education ruined, eye watering debt that will need repaying, people baton charged by the police for protesting against these mandates. I appreciate that it might be difficult for you to empathise or understand just how tough these last 2 years have been for so many people as you are retired, living in Cornwall and getting your income from your pension (possibly Final Salary?) and your buy to let property portfolio. Why don’t you continue to “bunker down” whilst the rest of us will get on with our lives.
There was no government overreach. They tried to introduce guidance, some legal, to get us all to behave sensibly. That those responsible for the administration of them, given they were rushed and confusing, had some issues is hard surprising. No one wanted the disruption to the children's education, but it was reluctantly done as the least bad option. Other opinions were always offered but not chosen. I completely understand how tough it has been. We have had it easier here, as we have more space, but nonetheless have seen significant disruption to life. How I have planned and managed my own retirement is no business of anyone else. I don't want anyone to "bunker down" for a moment longer than is necessary. I also don't want us taking risky decisions just because it's politically useful to a PM who is going to be dumped but is trying to save his skin. I want decisions based on public health only.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 11 Feb 22 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There was no government overreach. They tried to introduce guidance, some legal, to get us all to behave sensibly. That those responsible for the administration of them, given they were rushed and confusing, had some issues is hard surprising. No one wanted the disruption to the children's education, but it was reluctantly done as the least bad option. Other opinions were always offered but not chosen. I completely understand how tough it has been. We have had it easier here, as we have more space, but nonetheless have seen significant disruption to life. How I have planned and managed my own retirement is no business of anyone else. I don't want anyone to "bunker down" for a moment longer than is necessary. I also don't want us taking risky decisions just because it's politically useful to a PM who is going to be dumped but is trying to save his skin. I want decisions based on public health only. Of course your retirement plans WE are your own business and I was not asking you to declare what they were - the point I was making is that you were advocating strict lockdowns knowing that these would certainly cause severe financial hardship for many people, whilst being safe in the knowledge that it would not affect you financially.
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cryrst  The garden of England 11 Feb 22 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There was no government overreach. They tried to introduce guidance, some legal, to get us all to behave sensibly. That those responsible for the administration of them, given they were rushed and confusing, had some issues is hard surprising. No one wanted the disruption to the children's education, but it was reluctantly done as the least bad option. Other opinions were always offered but not chosen. I completely understand how tough it has been. We have had it easier here, as we have more space, but nonetheless have seen significant disruption to life. How I have planned and managed my own retirement is no business of anyone else. I don't want anyone to "bunker down" for a moment longer than is necessary. I also don't want us taking risky decisions just because it's politically useful to a PM who is going to be dumped but is trying to save his skin. I want decisions based on public health only. More space?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Feb 22 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
"UP to £4billion of Covid loans and grants swindled by fraudsters will be written off, MPs say. In a scathing report, the MPs warn the soft touch approach sends the wrong message to criminals as well as cheating honest taxpayers. It is a blow to Chancellor Rishi Sunak, already under pressure over Covid cash fraud The Public Accounts Committee took aim at HMRC’s “unambitious plans” for recovering £6billion it paid incorrectly. It says the taxman expects to recover as little as £2billion — and will take years to get through the backlog. Dame Meg Hillier MP, head of the committee, said: “We can ill-afford to be so cavalier over so much taxpayers’ money.
Who are these criminals that took money ? Let me guess,... They should chase these fraudsters, even if it costs money in the end.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Of course your retirement plans WE are your own business and I was not asking you to declare what they were - the point I was making is that you were advocating strict lockdowns knowing that these would certainly cause severe financial hardship for many people, whilst being safe in the knowledge that it would not affect you financially. I didn't advocate anything. I supported those who, armed with all the knowledge, time and training to fully review and consider the various alternatives decided they were the least bad choice. Not because that was best for me. I didn't, and still haven't, even think about that. I supported us, and those who were responsible for taking decisions for us.
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Teddy Eagle  11 Feb 22 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't advocate anything. I supported those who, armed with all the knowledge, time and training to fully review and consider the various alternatives decided they were the least bad choice. Not because that was best for me. I didn't, and still haven't, even think about that. I supported us, and those who were responsible for taking decisions for us. Do you also support the Government removing COVID restrictions in England?
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