Vaccines had governmental approval, that's a powerful message. Those who were against vaccines actually represented a small minority. They were there and could have been debated...a much much louder group where those around covid policies, media control, mandates and restrictions. Everyone was there to be debated....yet mainstream media both broadcast and press acted as an arm of the government.

What should be made clear is that we are not a nanny state and that adults must....repeat must be responsible for their own actions and decisions. I am very against the charge that the state is your keeper....helper where it can...yes.

I'm for a society that is taught that clearly and not for one that gives false impressions of certainty and reliance in a world that can't actually provide much when it comes down to it.

In my view the sum of your contributions has been one to disproportionately talk down the vaccine in terms of protective effect beyond the reality. I'm not saying that's through intention, just that anyone not reading the rarely tagged on 'maybe its helpful for the elderly' once in a blue moon would be disproportionately convinced to give it a miss more often to the detriment at the time of their health. I think based on your own 'i know my body' choice you have effectively gone on what amounts to some kind of crusade to represent that view.

Personally I think the anti vax and vax hesitant voices had appropriate weight and am glad the initial take up was so high to offer a society wide base of support against this virus, that is then built on by natural infection. To my mind take up is and will now naturally diminish, hence any remaining restrictions along with it. A natural progression. Ultimately people should be able to make the choice for them, but i'd rather they didn't view dodging the vaccine like dodging a bullet [Link] Is this man dying 'free', or has he just been brainwashed to the point he's willing to die for no reason? Of course Americans often seem more all or nothing though. With the vaccine here, I'd say 99% of people seem very reasonable and balanced with regard to it and that take up will broadly relate to the trajectory of the virus.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 10.11pm)

In my view the sum of your contributions has been one to disproportionately talk down the vaccine in terms of protective effect beyond the reality. I'm not saying that's through intention, just that anyone not reading the rarely tagged on 'maybe its helpful for the elderly' once in a blue moon would be disproportionately convinced to give it a miss more often to the detriment at the time of their health. I think based on your own 'i know my body' choice you have effectively gone on what amounts to some kind of crusade to represent that view.

Personally I think the anti vax and vax hesitant voices had appropriate weight and am glad the initial take up was so high to offer a society wide base of support against this virus, that is then built on by natural infection. To my mind take up is and will now naturally diminish, hence any remaining restrictions along with it. A natural progression. Ultimately people should be able to make the choice for them, but i'd rather they didn't view dodging the vaccine like dodging a bullet [Link] Is this man dying 'free', or has he just been brainwashed to the point he's willing to die for no reason? Of course Americans often seem more all or nothing though. With the vaccine here, I'd say 99% of people seem very reasonable and balanced with regard to it and that take up will broadly relate to the trajectory of the virus.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 10.11pm)

I think these, and similar contributions, can be summarised more simply than this. They are based on selfishness. They concentrate on what's good, or acceptable, to the individual, and not what's good or necessary for society as a whole.

Thus, as an example, why do we need to vaccinate the young, when they are known not to suffer anything more than a mild disease? When the reality is that an infected child can infect other children who can then infect their granny and granddad, without anyone realising it.

For them, it's all about me and my personal freedom to decide what's best for me. That, in a pandemic, isn't good enough.

In all honesty I got vaccinated for selfish reasons. Expecting to catch this at some stage I wanted a way to make it as easy as possible. Did this help anyone else? If so then good but it wasn’t my motivation.

In all honesty I got vaccinated for selfish reasons. Expecting to catch this at some stage I wanted a way to make it as easy as possible. Did this help anyone else? If so then good but it wasn’t my motivation.