Saw something about how the term 'genocide' can have a mathematical formula to it based on comparing how many of one specific group compared to another are killed in a conflict.

And if we take say a median of 1300 killed in the initial attack on October 6th and the figure you have put up, then so far we are talking a ratio of 14-1. In Rwanda I believe it was around the 11-1 figure.

I think we are definitely witnessing a genocide style event in Gaza City.

And I also saw a video purporting to being a group of Israeli soldiers in a flat in Gaza. They were messing about, making a great deal of larking about carrying out pretend household chores such as cooking or cleaning. And then all proudly outside as the property was deliberately burnt down.

This is ethnic cleansing. No other way to describe it. And by way of qualification, I witnessed the aftermath of similar in Bosnia in 1993/94.

Israel has gone so far beyond the pale there is no coming back from this. They deserve to become a pariah state and the influence of Zionist/Jewish funding on our civil societies literally banned.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

You don't say.

It fits with the Democrats general approach of talking fantasy while trying not to look at reality.

If the whole thing wasn't so tragic there would be a comic element to the juxtaposition of America crying out in pain while delivering the weapons and aid.

I don't like the dishonesty of it.

The Democrats obviously very much dislike Netanyahu and want his government to fall but they aren't really dealing with the enormity of what's taken place here.

Firstly Netanyahu's military response is popular in Israel. Second Netanyahu isn't going to stop now.....He's gone for the home run and he either hits it out of the park for zionism or he strikes out......Will he find a way of getting the US to attack Iran? It's obvious that's what they want....they know that Iran are just waiting till they get nukes.

Unless Biden cuts off the aid and lets Israel fall (not going to happen for several reasons) they are carried along with the wave whether they like it or not.

The Americans put themselves into this situation since Reagan.....He who pays the piper gets to demand what tunes are played.

Long term though....once the political boomers die off in the US and 'diversity' takes over there will be a schism between the US and Israel because....let's be frank, all those Hitler memes don't work on non Europeans.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jan 2024 9.52am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Blinkered Blinken not quite getting his own country has enabled the war by financing and supplying arms to Israel, some used in the genocide.

Yanks go home.

Are they landing on the moon, or bombing it.

South Africa's began presenting it's case against Israel to the International Court of Justice today - it's been very damning.

Israel will have their opportunity to present tomorrow.

Some quotes from the SA side below;

"All of these acts individually and collectively form a calculated pattern of conduct by Israel indicating a genocidal intent. This intent is evident from Israel’s conduct in:

Targeting Palestinians living in Gaza using weaponry that causes large scale, homicidal destruction, as well as targeted sniping of civilians.

Designating safe zones for Palestinians to seek refuge and then bombing these.

Depriving Palestinians in Gaza of basic needs – food, water, health care, fuel, sanitation, and communications.

Destroying social infrastructure, homes, schools, mosques, churches, hospitals, and killing, seriously injuring, and leaving large numbers of children orphaned.

Genocides are never declared in advance but this court has the benefit of the past 13 weeks of evidence that shows incontrovertibly, a pattern of conduct and related intention that justifies a plausible claim of genocidal acts."

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Herzog’s comment that “it’s an entire nation out there that is responsible” for the 7 October attack was singled out, and the court was shown a video of Israeli soldiers joyfully singing in Gaza about fulfilling the biblical commandment of destroying Amalek after also being shown video of Netanyahu reminding the Israeli people of King Saul being commanded to destroy all men, women, children and animals of the Amalekite people.

“The scale of destruction in Gaza, the targeting of family homes and civilians, the war being a war on children, all make clear that genocidal intent is both understood and has been put into practice. The articulated intent is the destruction of Palestinian life,” said lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi.

“What state would admit to a genocidal intent? Yet the distinctive feature of this case has not been the silence as such, but the reiteration and repetition of genocidal speech throughout every sphere of the state in Israel,” he said.

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"In the speeches to this court today, South Africa has chosen as you’ve heard, to avoid the sharing of graphic videos and photos. It has decided against turning this court into a theatre for spectacle. It knows as well as your excellencies the temptation for both sides in a dispute to parade pictures to shock.

South Africa’s application in this court today is built on a foundation of clear legal rights, not images, and the detailed material before the court is marshalled to show a case for provisional measures based firmly on this court’s prior decisions.

South Africa advances its case on the basis that Palestinian’s rights are equally as worthy of protection on the unprecedented evidence before you as those of the victim groups that this honourable court has previously protected by its issuance of provisional measures in the past.

The material confirms the rights and their violation that Israel has committed, and is committing, acts capable of being characterised as genocidal.

You have heard from us about the direct extermination of thousands of people and children of the Palestinian population in Gaza since 7 October last year.

And South Africa and the world together stand witness to the forced evacuation of over 85% of the population of Gaza from their homes, and the herding of them into ever smaller areas without adequate shelter or medical care, to be attacked, killed and harmed.

So the rights are immediately and urgently in need of protection because of the ongoing denial by Israel of the conditions necessary for life."

Seeing children killed and maimed is terrible, but I would ask exactly how a country should react when a neighbour stages a minor invasion in which it murders, tortures and mutilates women and children, takes hundreds of hostage and then hides in populated areas.

What would you do?

Would you have America abandon it's greatest ally in the Middle East?
Would you be happy to see them abandon us if Russia invades Europe?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Jan 2024 2.53pm)