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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 6.29pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm
Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong. Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...
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Stuk Top half 17 Apr 13 6.38pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm
Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong. Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...
Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 6.42pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.38pm
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm
Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong. Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...
Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm) Thanks for the sympathy, but why would I want anything to go wrong?
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Stuk Top half 17 Apr 13 6.46pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm
Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong. Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...
Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm) Thanks for the sympathy, but why would I want anything to go wrong? Take a look at your own posts for answers.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 6.48pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm
Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong. Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...
Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm) Thanks for the sympathy, but why would I want anything to go wrong? Take a look at your own posts for answers. Go on, tell me where I said I wanted the funeral to go wrong? I'd love to be reminded.
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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 17 Apr 13 6.50pm | |
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Quote beagle at 17 Apr 2013 5.46pm
I've been reading the reaction from some mining communities who, predictably, are delighted she's dead and say they can 'never forgive' her for decimating their industry. The inference is that until Thatch, they had a viable industry but she, for political reasons, tore it apart. What I don't understand is why, if the industry is at all viable, aren't any pits being reopened? Shale Gas and fracking has re-energised the oil industry - so why is coal dead? The fact that even under Labour these pits weren't reopened suggests to me that there was/is no future for a profitable national coal industry in the UK - so were the closures under Thatcher inevitable and she's a convenient scapegoat? I know sweet FA about the economics of coal - but would be interested in any thoughts.
Cheaper to import it from Poland etc. So we ship out sterling to another EU country whilst paying to keep entire generations of people and areas unemployed. Of course, we don't let the power companies pay tax as they wouldn't be contrbuting to "call me Dave", Gdieon and their fellow millionaires ... [Link]
Should we therefore still be subsidising a massive shipbuilding industry, and steel industry? And a textile industry while we're at it? We may as well reopen, and subside tin mines in Cornwall. And if so, why discriminate? My own industry, print, has gone south. I know shed-loads of printers who have gone bust - but there has never been a 'help the printers' campaign. So why do miners get the violins and flowers? Its difficult to get an definative answer because when the debate involves just economics the answer is easy. Throw politics into the mix and it all turns muddy. My 'help the printers' point is easy. Simple economics. Rather like Estate Agents when the housing bubble went south. Who cares about a bloody estate agent? Who cares about a printer? However, throw 'mining' into the mix and suddenly we're in socialist heartland, brass-bands, communities, salt-of-the-earth, Hovis and Billy Elliot territory. And although I'm no Thatcher fan, I just don't understand the 'she decimated our industry' line. If not her, a subsequent Government (lib, lab or Con) would have gently (or not so gently) got us to where the industry is now.
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newickeagle Newick, E Sussex 17 Apr 13 7.13pm | |
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She was a nasty little fascist in all but name (witness her love of Pinochet). Good riddance. A military send-off was quite fitting for this woman, the most divisive PM we have ever had. Rotten.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 17 Apr 13 7.39pm | |
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Anarchism doesn't work, because there are some nasty cvnts out there. You can't rely on human nature,...so we have the police. I still want to know the finances of the funeral and what inheritance tax was paid on Thatcher's estate
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 7.43pm | |
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 17 Apr 2013 7.39pm
Anarchism doesn't work, because there are some nasty cvnts out there. You can't rely on human nature,...so we have the police. I still want to know the finances of the funeral and what inheritance tax was paid on Thatcher's estate
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 17 Apr 13 7.59pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.22pm
In some places on the route, the crowds were as large as 1 deep!
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 8.12pm | |
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In some places on the route, the crowds were as large as 1 deep!
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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 13 8.12pm | |
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Quote beagle at 17 Apr 2013 5.46pm
I've been reading the reaction from some mining communities who, predictably, are delighted she's dead and say they can 'never forgive' her for decimating their industry. The inference is that until Thatch, they had a viable industry but she, for political reasons, tore it apart. What I don't understand is why, if the industry is at all viable, aren't any pits being reopened? Shale Gas and fracking has re-energised the oil industry - so why is coal dead? The fact that even under Labour these pits weren't reopened suggests to me that there was/is no future for a profitable national coal industry in the UK - so were the closures under Thatcher inevitable and she's a convenient scapegoat? I know sweet FA about the economics of coal - but would be interested in any thoughts.
The reality which the miners and their communities refuse, to this day, to understand and accept, is that the fault lay with their own decision to elect Scargill. Without him, the closures would have been slower, more orderly and with much less suffering. However, they thought they could blackmail the government into outrageous pay increases and fell for Scargill's promises (despite the fact that it was evident he was simply using them for his own political ends). The sudden and undignified end of our mining industry had painful consequences for workers and families, but have no doubt that is was something that the workers brought upon themselves.
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