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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 6.29pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm

Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong.

Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...


I Knorr, I was just having a little fun.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 17 Apr 13 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.29pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm

Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong.

Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...


I Knorr, I was just having a little fun.


I feel sorry for you, nothing went wrong for you to come in your pants over.

Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm)

 


Optimistic as ever

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 6.42pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.29pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm

Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong.

Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...


I Knorr, I was just having a little fun.


I feel sorry for you, nothing went wrong for you to come in your pants over.

Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm)

Thanks for the sympathy, but why would I want anything to go wrong?

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 17 Apr 13 6.46pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.42pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.29pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm

Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong.

Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...


I Knorr, I was just having a little fun.


I feel sorry for you, nothing went wrong for you to come in your pants over.

Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm)

Thanks for the sympathy, but why would I want anything to go wrong?

Take a look at your own posts for answers.

 


Optimistic as ever

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 6.48pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.46pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.42pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.29pm

Quote Stuk at 17 Apr 2013 6.25pm

Well done on posting some stock photos, nick. The earlier live television pictures prove you very much wrong.

Any reason why you'd expect anyone to turn out anywhere other than the funeral route out of interest? It's not a f***ing world cup game...


I Knorr, I was just having a little fun.


I feel sorry for you, nothing went wrong for you to come in your pants over.

Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm)

Thanks for the sympathy, but why would I want anything to go wrong?

Take a look at your own posts for answers.

Go on, tell me where I said I wanted the funeral to go wrong? I'd love to be reminded.

 

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beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 17 Apr 13 6.50pm Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

Quote Dweeb at 17 Apr 2013 5.50pm

Quote beagle at 17 Apr 2013 5.46pm

I've been reading the reaction from some mining communities who, predictably, are delighted she's dead and say they can 'never forgive' her for decimating their industry.

The inference is that until Thatch, they had a viable industry but she, for political reasons, tore it apart.

What I don't understand is why, if the industry is at all viable, aren't any pits being reopened? Shale Gas and fracking has re-energised the oil industry - so why is coal dead? The fact that even under Labour these pits weren't reopened suggests to me that there was/is no future for a profitable national coal industry in the UK - so were the closures under Thatcher inevitable and she's a convenient scapegoat?

I know sweet FA about the economics of coal - but would be interested in any thoughts.


Edited by beagle (17 Apr 2013 5.46pm)

Cheaper to import it from Poland etc. So we ship out sterling to another EU country whilst paying to keep entire generations of people and areas unemployed. Of course, we don't let the power companies pay tax as they wouldn't be contrbuting to "call me Dave", Gdieon and their fellow millionaires ... [Link]


Edited by Dweeb (17 Apr 2013 5.51pm)


So does the answer lies in the government (the taxpayer) subsidising every 'failing' industry?

Should we therefore still be subsidising a massive shipbuilding industry, and steel industry? And a textile industry while we're at it? We may as well reopen, and subside tin mines in Cornwall.

And if so, why discriminate? My own industry, print, has gone south. I know shed-loads of printers who have gone bust - but there has never been a 'help the printers' campaign. So why do miners get the violins and flowers?

Its difficult to get an definative answer because when the debate involves just economics the answer is easy. Throw politics into the mix and it all turns muddy.

My 'help the printers' point is easy. Simple economics. Rather like Estate Agents when the housing bubble went south. Who cares about a bloody estate agent? Who cares about a printer? However, throw 'mining' into the mix and suddenly we're in socialist heartland, brass-bands, communities, salt-of-the-earth, Hovis and Billy Elliot territory.

And although I'm no Thatcher fan, I just don't understand the 'she decimated our industry' line. If not her, a subsequent Government (lib, lab or Con) would have gently (or not so gently) got us to where the industry is now.

 


When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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newickeagle Flag Newick, E Sussex 17 Apr 13 7.13pm Send a Private Message to newickeagle Add newickeagle as a friend

She was a nasty little fascist in all but name (witness her love of Pinochet). Good riddance. A military send-off was quite fitting for this woman, the most divisive PM we have ever had. Rotten.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 17 Apr 13 7.39pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Anarchism doesn't work, because there are some nasty cvnts out there. You can't rely on human nature,...so we have the police.
It all comes down to order.
That's why we have @nal people who stack magazines and CD's in chronological/alphabetical sequence. Blame them.

I still want to know the finances of the funeral and what inheritance tax was paid on Thatcher's estate

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 7.43pm

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 17 Apr 2013 7.39pm

Anarchism doesn't work, because there are some nasty cvnts out there. You can't rely on human nature,...so we have the police.
It all comes down to order.
That's why we have @nal people who stack magazines and CD's in chronological/alphabetical sequence. Blame them.

I still want to know the finances of the funeral and what inheritance tax was paid on Thatcher's estate


All a bit shady the inheritance. Apparently her home owners are registered in offshore accounts...

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 17 Apr 13 7.59pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.22pm

In some places on the route, the crowds were as large as 1 deep!


You forgot the 0 next to the 1 as it was ten deep and absolutely packed......watched it myself today and also the biased BBC even said what a massive turnout it was!!! ANDTony Blair and his mates enjoyed it!!!!!

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 13 8.12pm

Quote susmik at 17 Apr 2013 7.59pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Apr 2013 6.22pm

In some places on the route, the crowds were as large as 1 deep!


You forgot the 0 next to the 1 as it was ten deep and absolutely packed......watched it myself today and also the biased BBC even said what a massive turnout it was!!! ANDTony Blair and his mates enjoyed it!!!!!


Is that the Blair of whom John Major once said, "I went swimming in a river and left my clothes on the bank, when I returned Tony Blair was wearing them."?

 

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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 17 Apr 13 8.12pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote beagle at 17 Apr 2013 5.46pm

I've been reading the reaction from some mining communities who, predictably, are delighted she's dead and say they can 'never forgive' her for decimating their industry.

The inference is that until Thatch, they had a viable industry but she, for political reasons, tore it apart.

What I don't understand is why, if the industry is at all viable, aren't any pits being reopened? Shale Gas and fracking has re-energised the oil industry - so why is coal dead? The fact that even under Labour these pits weren't reopened suggests to me that there was/is no future for a profitable national coal industry in the UK - so were the closures under Thatcher inevitable and she's a convenient scapegoat?

I know sweet FA about the economics of coal - but would be interested in any thoughts.


Edited by beagle (17 Apr 2013 5.46pm)


That is essentially correct but there were undoubtedly some mines which could have been kept open, either because they had future potential or because the costs of closing them (including the social costs) outweighed the savings.

The reality which the miners and their communities refuse, to this day, to understand and accept, is that the fault lay with their own decision to elect Scargill. Without him, the closures would have been slower, more orderly and with much less suffering. However, they thought they could blackmail the government into outrageous pay increases and fell for Scargill's promises (despite the fact that it was evident he was simply using them for his own political ends).

The sudden and undignified end of our mining industry had painful consequences for workers and families, but have no doubt that is was something that the workers brought upon themselves.

 


Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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