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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Feb 22 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst large parts of the world remain unvaccinated further variants are likely. There is no guarantee they will all turn out like Omicron. So making assumptions, and being complacent, is an unwise strategy. It's not over until the fat lady has sung, and this is just the aria at the start of the third act. Just a bit gentler than what went before. It's rather foolish to remain in the bar celebrating and thinking that is the end of the performance, so you've no need to sit down again.

Large parts of the word will remain unvaccinated for years. People who live with the very real possibility of catching malaria, typhoid, cholera, TB and several other diseases are just not going to be that bothered about Covid.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Feb 22 8.35pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

With the basic advice of:

- Get vaccinated initially to build base protection
- Accept that infection is inevitable and will offer additional protection
- Get boosters if in especially vulnerable groups and play it by ear if not
- Get on with life (with basic hygiene thrown into the mix)

we could've saved ourselves about 1000 pages..

There will always be proudly and vocal unvaccinated types who are angered that they're not being handed an equivalent of a war medal for their stance, just as there will be some who want to inject you in the eyeball every time you go out for a pint of milk. As you say, most people, as with anything in life are just getting on with things at this point.


Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 4.19pm)

Succinctly put. Jeez imagine being that paranoid that to go down to your local Waitrose you need to wear a Hazmat suit & disinfect the door handle before entering all the time weeping like a baby that the person next you buying organic quinoa isn't wearing a Disney themed face mask. GET A LIFE !!
Mask up (if you want)
Vaccinate (If you want)
Get boosters (if you want)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Feb 22 8.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Large parts of the word will remain unvaccinated for years. People who live with the very real possibility of catching malaria, typhoid, cholera, TB and several other diseases are just not going to be that bothered about Covid.

That's not a reason for why we should not be "bothered". It's a good reason for us to bother a lot.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Feb 22 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Succinctly put. Jeez imagine being that paranoid that to go down to your local Waitrose you need to wear a Hazmat suit & disinfect the door handle before entering all the time weeping like a baby that the person next you buying organic quinoa isn't wearing a Disney themed face mask. GET A LIFE !!
Mask up (if you want)
Vaccinate (If you want)
Get boosters (if you want)

Infect everyone else. (what we don't want).

No man is an island.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Feb 22 8.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Yeah, I'm proud of the fact that I wasn't meek in reacting against mandates. Apparently that's worthy of criticism....something I seem to be ripe for over those that basically called for punishing people.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 8.21pm)


Well, of course at a moment like this, the pride would somehow still be about yourself wouldn't it.

Most people have already been vaccinated. For me that's enough to make a difference in terms on a foundation of protection. Unless we have a time machine to hand, maybe it's a point worth moving on from. I save my pride for the NHS. Those who are vaccinated, unvaccinated, whatever. They are worthy of praise for what must have been a hellish scene at the business end of it. As for those staff avoiding the vaccine, clearly there's reason to believe that's not the ideal, but it's an 'all hands to the pump' situation, and that trumps idealism. At the time I said I thought the government would dump mandating it and am not displeased that looked to be happening.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Feb 22 8.57pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not a reason for why we should not be "bothered". It's a good reason for us to bother a lot.

Why? If we are that concerned about variants developing among unvaccinated people in other countries how will this ever end?
If you want to wear a mask then go ahead but in Scotland we don’t have the choice.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Feb 22 9.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Infect everyone else. (what we don't want).

No man is an island.

I can see the merits of, as an act of courtesy, wearing a mask on public transport and supermarkets. The logic being that some very vulnerable people have to use these spaces if no other.

On the flip side, where thought and consideration has gone into the elderly and vulnerable, it has to go to the young too. As in repeated lockdowns have had a very disproportionate impact on their future (in contrast to the immedicacy of the impact on the elderly). So we have to keep that in mind, especially since the virus is shrugged off by most young people.

I'm not sure that we should say that the spreading of Omicron is something that's such a terrible thing. In areas where the rate is high it will follow that it will eventually be lower, and then at that time safer. There's little that can be done to stop Omicron spreading to tens of millions of people (it likely has already). Those who have had it say over the past month or so, are now exceeding safe to be around so that should be considered in how we think about the virus. They have essentially had a natural 'booster'. I'm not sure what the alternative is, than to do our bit then ride it out.


Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 9.02pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Feb 22 9.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Well, of course at a moment like this, the pride would somehow still be about yourself wouldn't it.

Most people have already been vaccinated. For me that's enough to make a difference in terms on a foundation of protection. Unless we have a time machine to hand, maybe it's a point worth moving on from. I save my pride for the NHS. Those who are vaccinated, unvaccinated, whatever. They are worthy of praise for what must have been a hellish scene at the business end of it. As for those staff avoiding the vaccine, clearly there's reason to believe that's not the ideal, but it's an 'all hands to the pump' situation, and that trumps idealism. At the time I said I thought the government would dump mandating it and am not displeased that looked to be happening.

Ah, your posts are frequent proof that you have plenty of pride left over from any NHS contributions.

I have sympathy for every single person who took a vaccine because they were either manipulated into it by their employer or from the state by lying to them.....that would include many professionals working in the NHS.

For those that took them freely I have no criticism as personal choice is how it should be.....and indeed, how it probably will be going forward once a year and probably paid for anyone not deemed vulnerable.

There is much to uncover over the coming months and years over the vaccines and how lockdowns and how policies came about. There are many questions and the answers are a long way from being provided. The unquestioning and meek and mild can just continue hitting their pans together....However the more sceptical will remain interested.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 9.05pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Feb 22 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Infect everyone else. (what we don't want).

No man is an island.

How does being vaccinated stop anyone from infecting anyone else?

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Feb 22 9.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I have sympathy for every single person who took a vaccine because they were either manipulated into it by their employer or from the state by lying to them.....that would include many professionals working in the NHS.
Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 9.02pm)

Fine. I doubt most agreed with the NHS mandates anyway considering how necessary their role is. They were likely just perplexed about their decision in a caring profession, which at the time (especially a year+ ago) was demonstrated to significantly dent a person's chances of both contracting and spreading a more serious version of this virus.

Do you also have sympathy for those talked into not having the vaccine by 'i know my body' types, who then ended up dying due to their decision? They certainly would appear to outnumber those who had side effects from the several billion doses. Or perhaps sympathy for the unvacinnated in intensive care who staggeringly manage to outnumber vaccinated even at a time where the vast majority of people are vaccinated? Or does that just not matter because it's their (uninformed) choice?


Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 9.18pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Feb 22 9.17pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How does being vaccinated stop anyone from infecting anyone else?

It certainly did to an extent with Delta (contracting and transmitting) but all evidence points towards prior vaccination or infection having a more limited impact on Omicron.. Some studies on both prior infection 'and' vaccination in combination suggest that may be the most protective combination though how that translates into the real world may take longer to know.

The push of what you're suggesting is true though. That being vaccinated isn't some magical way out of Omicron (which shouldn't be all that bad for most people anyway). Due to this and its increased transmission rate, I don't really see the intention of dodging it forever more to be a very realistic one in combination with living a normal life.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Feb 22 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Fine. I doubt most agreed with the NHS mandates anyway considering how necessary their role is. They were likely just perplexed about their decision in a caring profession, which at the time (especially a year+ ago) was demonstrated to significantly dent a person's chances of both contracting and spreading a more serious version of this virus.

Do you also have sympathy for those talked into not having the vaccine by 'i know my body' types, who then ended up dying due to their decision? They certainly would appear to outnumber those who had side effects from the several billion doses. Or perhaps sympathy for the unvacinnated in intensive care who staggeringly manage to outnumber vaccinated even at a time where the vast majority of people are vaccinated? Or does that just not matter because it's their (uninformed) choice?

Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 9.18pm)

People have also died from the vaccine, perhaps that's a much smaller number but it happened.....they were most definitely talked into it by governmental and media propaganda...A recommendation is one thing but shouldn't choice and personal responsibility for your own actions be stressed.....I mean, the drug companies made sure that personal responsibility couldn't be placed onto them.

I believe I've made my position clear on this. It's essentially no different to the Brexit debate. All opinion deserved to be heard that was civil.

Vaccines had governmental approval, that's a powerful message. Those who were against vaccines actually represented a small minority. They were there and could have been debated...a much much louder group where those around covid policies, media control, mandates and restrictions. Everyone was there to be debated....yet mainstream media both broadcast and press acted as an arm of the government.

What should be made clear is that we are not a nanny state and that adults must....repeat must be responsible for their own actions and decisions. I am very against the charge that the state is your keeper....helper where it can...yes.

I'm for a society that is taught that clearly and not for one that gives false impressions of certainty and reliance in a world that can't actually provide much when it comes down to it.

 


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