It would make things very difficult, but it was never going to happen was it?

That was the number of staff calculated not yet vaccinated. How many were front-line, how many would be persuaded by the campaign to counter the misinformation of the anti-vax movement and how many re-deployed is unknown, but I suspect not too many would have ended up having to lose their jobs.

It was nonetheless an important statement for the NHS to have made. I have just watched a C4 documentary on Andrew Wakefield, the disgraced and struck-off British doctor who constructed the fraud about autism being caused by the MMR vaccination. I had no idea what had happened to him, but it seems he is in the USA and is the father of the whole anti-vax movement, and has made a fortune out of spreading misinformation. Coronavirus vaccines have been a wonderful gift for him. With so many people able to choose their own facts his stuff is now widely believed by the vulnerable in the USA, which has spread here and around the world. This documentary was seriously scary. The money involved and the organisation behind it is staggering.

So it's important, for the NHS in particular, that this misinformation is aggressively countered and not allowed to take root. 95% + NHS staff understand that, but some are still unsure. Of course there are also those who continue to believe it's their decision alone, and they would either have had to be redeployed, or lose their job. When your job is caring for the vulnerable it must be for your employer to determine what is required for safety.

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Having heard the reasoning of some of them, no.

Especially as those taking the decisions within the NHS include many people with high level medical qualifications, who have often spent most of their working lives caring for people.

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It's a dim decision; there's no getting around that really.

But then so is casting them aside when they're needed. And so in the fog of f***ed mindsets of this direction and that where people seem of so desperate to hang onto their comfort clan, we have to shrug and say 'oh well'.. continue. The NHS is strained enough as it is. And this variant is mild. And most NHS staff have likely already fended off covid anyway. The right decision was made.

It has been suggested that the lower take up rate amongst the BAME NHS staff is due in part to a mistrust that the vaccines were not " made for them ". i.e the inference being they are designed for white people and will therefore have a negative effect on non white people. As a result of this extra effort has to be made to convince BAME people that the vaccine does not affect different racial groups differently.

I was surprised to hear this but does I suppose explain to a degree the reason why some areas of London for example with lower take up have a higher percentage of BAME residents.

I am not sure how to solve this as there has been more than enough explanation of the pros and cons but certain beliefs are sticking such as the vaccine makes BAME people infertile. Thanks a lot Nikki Minaj for starting that.

It seems likely that any mandatory will be scrapped as symptoms of Omnicrom appears much less serious if infected but still a concern that people might think like that about a vaccine

Edited by HKOwen (05 Feb 2022 5.56am)

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That is a well known issue that happened in another country decades ago.

Are you suggesting that referencing that is a valid argument for not getting a covid vaccine, you know the ones that are used globally including BAME communities worldwide and in countries like for example, South Africa, Nigeria etc.

What an absolute red herring to introduce trying to conflate two totally different things

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Your opinion is welcome as are all.

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Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.