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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 22 11.39am |
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Originally posted by W12
How many times does he get to be spectacularly and dangerously wrong at our expense? Apart from the BSE, Bird Flu and Swine flu disasters already mentioned, policies implemented under Ferguson’s advisory based on his data resulted in the mass slaughter of over six million animals to stop the spread of foot and mouth. A decision which left rural England economically devastated at the cost of £10 billion. You are defending the indefensible. No government ever takes decisions based on the advice of one man.
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Teddy Eagle  04 Feb 22 11.47am |
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Originally posted by W12
So what is he an expert at? He wasn’t expert enough to take his own advice when he invited his girlfriend round for a little afternoon delight.
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| W12 04 Feb 22 11.59am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No government ever takes decisions based on the advice of one man. And this view is based on what? "Prof Ferguson's model is understood to have single-handedly triggered a dramatic change in the Government's handling of the outbreak, as they moved away from herd immunity to a lockdown" Why would they even have listened to him at all based on past form? He's gets literally everything wildly wrong and always uses an extreme worse case. This goes way beyond incompetence: Edited by W12 (04 Feb 2022 12.03pm)
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 04 Feb 22 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So what? His skills are still, quietly, being used in the background, although I don't think he will be used to make any public pronouncements again. He leads a team, doing important work. Would you rather he gave up and drew his pension? Yes, he is dangerously wrong. No shortage of replacements. But rather debunks your follow the " experts " mantra. Better to take notice of people with a proven record. And what makes you claim you are aware of what is going on in the background? I suspect simply your opinion
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| W12 04 Feb 22 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So what? His skills are still, quietly, being used in the background, although I don't think he will be used to make any public pronouncements again. He leads a team, doing important work. Would you rather he gave up and drew his pension? I think this team now seem to be doing most of the heavy lifting. How many behavioural psychologists do you need to perpetuate a pandemic?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 22 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by W12
And this view is based on what? "Prof Ferguson's model is understood to have single-handedly triggered a dramatic change in the Government's handling of the outbreak, as they moved away from herd immunity to a lockdown" Why would they even have listened to him at all based on past form? He's gets literally everything wildly wrong and always uses an extreme worse case. This goes way beyond incompetence: Edited by W12 (04 Feb 2022 12.03pm) Do you really think he works alone? He leads a team. A team whose work has, as is usual, been peer reviewed and found wanting on occasions. That's the way things get checked and improved. I have little doubt their work is now given much more scrutiny but you don't just close down a facility. You improve it. That Ferguson is still trusted to lead it suggests the University retains its faith in him, even if Daily Mail readers don't.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Feb 22 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you really think he works alone? He leads a team. A team whose work has, as is usual, been peer reviewed and found wanting on occasions. That's the way things get checked and improved. I have little doubt their work is now given much more scrutiny but you don't just close down a facility. You improve it. That Ferguson is still trusted to lead it suggests the University retains its faith in him, even if Daily Mail readers don't. Perhaps you should look into who funds and backs it for that answer. But suddenly your curiosity fades away when you support the conclusions.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 22 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Yes, he is dangerously wrong. No shortage of replacements. But rather debunks your follow the " experts " mantra. Better to take notice of people with a proven record. And what makes you claim you are aware of what is going on in the background? I suspect simply your opinion You hear his name mentioned, but don't see him either making statements or being interviewed. So it seems he is being kept out of the limelight, whilst continuing to work.
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| W12 04 Feb 22 12.43pm | |
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This is what your government advisors were up to in March 2020: Page 1 "Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.....The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased" Page 6 "Use media to increase sense of personal threat" So you were subjected to a covert campaign of applied behavioural psychology via the media. Look up the definition of 5th generation warfare
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| W12 04 Feb 22 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
This is what your government advisors were up to in March 2020: Page 1 "Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.....The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased" Page 6 "Use media to increase sense of personal threat" So you were subjected to a covert campaign of applied behavioural psychology via the media. Look up the definition of 5th generation warfare And here we have an example: Resulting in this: and people simply failing to go to hospital and seek medical help Edited by W12 (04 Feb 2022 12.51pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Feb 22 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Perhaps you should look into who funds and backs it for that answer. But suddenly your curiosity fades away when you support the conclusions. What difference does that make? I would have thought commercial funders (or Foundations like those of Bill Gates) would not welcome negative publicity. So they must see valuable work being done).
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| W12 04 Feb 22 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What difference does that make? I would have thought commercial funders (or Foundations like those of Bill Gates) would not welcome negative publicity. So they must see valuable work being done). You mean they might get called out on the BBC or in the Guardian?
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