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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, a virus mutating.....How unexpected... It's not like it happens to every virus. Evolution.....apparently as unexpected as the Spanish inquisition. It was anticipated for sure but until it arrived it could not be prepared for and its effects predicted. We knew we would be playing catch up but expected the vaccines to still protect against severe disease. Which they did. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, a virus mutating.....How unexpected...

It's not like it happens to every virus.

Evolution.....apparently as unexpected as the Spanish inquisition.

It was anticipated for sure but until it arrived it could not be prepared for and its effects predicted. We knew we would be playing catch up but expected the vaccines to still protect against severe disease. Which they did.

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Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 23 10.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He, along with many others, provided advice. Politicians took the decisions and we know what Mr Johnson did! Ferguson did what many men do. Let lust overpower their reason. That's alright then. Ferguson thinks hundreds of thousands would die but nipping out to spend time with his girlfriend is no problem. Matt Hancock certainly tried to "scare the pants" off one person.
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Teddy Eagle

23 Jun 23 10.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He, along with many others, provided advice. Politicians took the decisions and we know what Mr Johnson did!

Ferguson did what many men do. Let lust overpower their reason.

That's alright then. Ferguson thinks hundreds of thousands would die but nipping out to spend time with his girlfriend is no problem.
Matt Hancock certainly tried to "scare the pants" off one person.

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eaglesdare 23 Jun 23 10.32pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We lockdown everyone so that their capacity to infect is mitigated and the spread curtailed. No one was protected by vaccines during the first lockdown so we were all involved and responsible for each other I dread to think what would have happened if many more people had behaved as you did! Selfish isn’t strong enough. You were irresponsibly selfish. It’s far from over. Direct mortality has decreased but indirect mortality remains high and long-Covid is being recognised as a real concern. You really are living in a fantasy world. We have no choice other than to get on, but don’t fool yourself. Your next bout is out there waiting for the unprepared. Snooze snooze snooze. I had to do what I had to do. I had to survive. I almost know what it was like for the Jews nazi Germany. Long covid...be interesting to see if those with long covid got the vax? And to be honest those with "long covid" are most likely using it as an excuse to get benefits. Anyways like I said and your lord and master sleepy joe the plandemic is over. My only concern would be for mental state of people like you who still want to hide behind the sofa and bed wet.
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23 Jun 23 10.32pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We lockdown everyone so that their capacity to infect is mitigated and the spread curtailed. No one was protected by vaccines during the first lockdown so we were all involved and responsible for each other

I dread to think what would have happened if many more people had behaved as you did! Selfish isn’t strong enough. You were irresponsibly selfish.

It’s far from over. Direct mortality has decreased but indirect mortality remains high and long-Covid is being recognised as a real concern.

You really are living in a fantasy world. We have no choice other than to get on, but don’t fool yourself. Your next bout is out there waiting for the unprepared.

Snooze snooze snooze. I had to do what I had to do. I had to survive. I almost know what it was like for the Jews nazi Germany.

Long covid...be interesting to see if those with long covid got the vax?

And to be honest those with "long covid" are most likely using it as an excuse to get benefits.

Anyways like I said and your lord and master sleepy joe the plandemic is over. My only concern would be for mental state of people like you who still want to hide behind the sofa and bed wet.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.39pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That's alright then. Ferguson thinks hundreds of thousands would die but nipping out to spend time with his girlfriend is no problem. Matt Hancock certainly tried to "scare the pants" off one person. Ferguson hypothesised a worst case scenario. Not a prediction. I could imagine Palace plunging through the divisions again in a worst case scenario, but I don’t think it will happen. What he, and the others did was not ok, but it doesn’t mean that what was done was incorrect. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.39pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That's alright then. Ferguson thinks hundreds of thousands would die but nipping out to spend time with his girlfriend is no problem.
Matt Hancock certainly tried to "scare the pants" off one person.

Ferguson hypothesised a worst case scenario. Not a prediction. I could imagine Palace plunging through the divisions again in a worst case scenario, but I don’t think it will happen.

What he, and the others did was not ok, but it doesn’t mean that what was done was incorrect.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.52pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Snooze snooze snooze. I had to do what I had to do. I had to survive. I almost know what it was like for the Jews nazi Germany. Long covid...be interesting to see if those with long covid got the vax? And to be honest those with "long covid" are most likely using it as an excuse to get benefits. Anyways like I said and your lord and master sleepy joe the plandemic is over. My only concern would be for mental state of people like you who still want to hide behind the sofa and bed wet. You trying to equate yourself to the Jews in Nazi Germany is not just an insult to them it’s a distortion of reality. You no more had to do it than jump off that cliff you are so fond of. You chose to ignore your impact on others, and the advice of the world’s health professionals. You decided you knew better when the truth is you know nothing. I don’t suppose long Covid is impacted by the vaccines, but this isn’t something I have information on. We know the pandemic is over. There is no need to repeat it. What isn’t over is Covid 19 anymore than flu is over. The idea that I, or others, are hiding is just you being ignorant. No one is hiding. The vaccines have ensured that. We are just being realistic. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2023 10.53pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.52pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Snooze snooze snooze. I had to do what I had to do. I had to survive. I almost know what it was like for the Jews nazi Germany.

Long covid...be interesting to see if those with long covid got the vax?

And to be honest those with "long covid" are most likely using it as an excuse to get benefits.

Anyways like I said and your lord and master sleepy joe the plandemic is over. My only concern would be for mental state of people like you who still want to hide behind the sofa and bed wet.

You trying to equate yourself to the Jews in Nazi Germany is not just an insult to them it’s a distortion of reality.

You no more had to do it than jump off that cliff you are so fond of. You chose to ignore your impact on others, and the advice of the world’s health professionals. You decided you knew better when the truth is you know nothing.

I don’t suppose long Covid is impacted by the vaccines, but this isn’t something I have information on.

We know the pandemic is over. There is no need to repeat it. What isn’t over is Covid 19 anymore than flu is over. The idea that I, or others, are hiding is just you being ignorant. No one is hiding. The vaccines have ensured that. We are just being realistic.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2023 10.53pm)

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Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 23 10.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Ferguson hypothesised a worst case scenario. Not a prediction. I could imagine Palace plunging through the divisions again in a worst case scenario, but I don’t think it will happen. What he, and the others did was not ok, but it doesn’t mean that what was done was incorrect. That's not the point. If this disease was thought to be deadly those with the most information should have been the most cautious. But they weren't.
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Teddy Eagle

23 Jun 23 10.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Ferguson hypothesised a worst case scenario. Not a prediction. I could imagine Palace plunging through the divisions again in a worst case scenario, but I don’t think it will happen.

What he, and the others did was not ok, but it doesn’t mean that what was done was incorrect.

That's not the point. If this disease was thought to be deadly those with the most information should have been the most cautious. But they weren't.

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eaglesdare 23 Jun 23 10.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You trying to equate yourself to the Jews in Nazi Germany is not just an insult to them it’s a distortion of reality. You no more had to do it than jump off that cliff you are so fond of. You chose to ignore your impact on others, and the advice of the world’s health professionals. You decided you knew better when the truth is you know nothing. I don’t suppose long Covid is impacted by the vaccines, but this isn’t something I have information on. We know the pandemic is over. There is no need to repeat it. What isn’t over is Covid 19 anymore than flu is over. The idea that I, or others, are hiding is just you being ignorant. No one is hiding. The vaccines have ensured that. We are just being realistic. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2023 10.53pm) As I said I made an informed decision about my health. My decision affected absolutely no one else. My decision was largely based on the fact at the time there was little or no information. As more and more information came out I feel I made the correct decision.
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eaglesdare

23 Jun 23 10.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You trying to equate yourself to the Jews in Nazi Germany is not just an insult to them it’s a distortion of reality.

I don’t suppose long Covid is impacted by the vaccines, but this isn’t something I have information on.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Jun 2023 10.53pm)

As I said I made an informed decision about my health. My decision affected absolutely no one else.

My decision was largely based on the fact at the time there was little or no information. As more and more information came out I feel I made the correct decision.

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Stirlingsays 24 Jun 23 2.37am
Originally posted by eaglesdare As I said I made an informed decision about my health. My decision affected absolutely no one else. My decision was largely based on the fact at the time there was little or no information. As more and more information came out I feel I made the correct decision. Same. At one point I was 60/40 on these vaccines as I'm diabetic and was carrying a lot of weight at the time. However, there were several reasons why I decided not to take these vaccines. Chief amongst them was the speed at which they were produced. There was only six months of internal testing on them and the vaccine companies were not open about the process....that's not good. Secondly, they were given immunity from prosecution from negative vaccine effects.....that should be a red flag to anyone. It flies in the face of a safety claim. Lastly, I grew suspicious at the sheer amount of state badgering and coercion on these vaccines. What should have always been a free choice turned into no choice for a lot of people. Then there was my age (early 50s) and my immune system that's always seemed to do ok so far. I caught covid, had a rough three days and have been fine since. Don't get me wrong, I looked at the data coming through, the statistical chances before making these decisions....early on I was as concerned as anyone and the evidence is on these boards. However, this was not the Spanish flu.....but it was certainly treated like it was. Regardless, this should always have been a personal choice for each individual (don't get me started on what happened around children). Each individual making their own health decisions in light of their personal situation. I have no criticism whatsoever for anyone who took the vaccines and I can honestly say I hope it was the right decision. I recognise that the vaccines reduced the initial death toll once administrated as that's what the real world statistics show. The reasons for the significant rise in excess deaths is yet to be determined and I make no dog whistle on that as I'm as clueless as the next layman. However, in making no claim I also offer no endorsement either. I fully support those working hard on investigating what's going on. The people who matter are not the wealthy elites and companies who have made a rich killing out of this. What matters are the people impacted by this....what looks like....man made virus.....and how it's thrown a varying degree of destructive bomb into everyone's lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2023 2.46am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

24 Jun 23 2.37am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

As I said I made an informed decision about my health. My decision affected absolutely no one else.

My decision was largely based on the fact at the time there was little or no information. As more and more information came out I feel I made the correct decision.

Same.

At one point I was 60/40 on these vaccines as I'm diabetic and was carrying a lot of weight at the time. However, there were several reasons why I decided not to take these vaccines.

Chief amongst them was the speed at which they were produced. There was only six months of internal testing on them and the vaccine companies were not open about the process....that's not good.

Secondly, they were given immunity from prosecution from negative vaccine effects.....that should be a red flag to anyone. It flies in the face of a safety claim.

Lastly, I grew suspicious at the sheer amount of state badgering and coercion on these vaccines. What should have always been a free choice turned into no choice for a lot of people.

Then there was my age (early 50s) and my immune system that's always seemed to do ok so far. I caught covid, had a rough three days and have been fine since.

Don't get me wrong, I looked at the data coming through, the statistical chances before making these decisions....early on I was as concerned as anyone and the evidence is on these boards. However, this was not the Spanish flu.....but it was certainly treated like it was.

Regardless, this should always have been a personal choice for each individual (don't get me started on what happened around children). Each individual making their own health decisions in light of their personal situation.

I have no criticism whatsoever for anyone who took the vaccines and I can honestly say I hope it was the right decision.

I recognise that the vaccines reduced the initial death toll once administrated as that's what the real world statistics show.

The reasons for the significant rise in excess deaths is yet to be determined and I make no dog whistle on that as I'm as clueless as the next layman.

However, in making no claim I also offer no endorsement either. I fully support those working hard on investigating what's going on.

The people who matter are not the wealthy elites and companies who have made a rich killing out of this. What matters are the people impacted by this....what looks like....man made virus.....and how it's thrown a varying degree of destructive bomb into everyone's lives.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2023 2.46am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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georgenorman 24 Jun 23 8.11am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Read the link to the FT article. Look at what is in front of your nose.
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24 Jun 23 8.11am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Read the link to the FT article.

Look at what is in front of your nose.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jun 23 8.21am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That's not the point. If this disease was thought to be deadly those with the most information should have been the most cautious. But they weren't. I disagree. It is the point. Individuals can and do behave stupidly. Consensus scientific opinion reaches informed conclusions. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 24 Jun 23 8.21am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That's not the point. If this disease was thought to be deadly those with the most information should have been the most cautious. But they weren't.

I disagree. It is the point. Individuals can and do behave stupidly. Consensus scientific opinion reaches informed conclusions.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jun 23 8.22am
Originally posted by georgenorman Look at what is in front of your nose. I read the article. It is informative. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Jun 23 8.22am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Look at what is in front of your nose.

I read the article. It is informative.

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Teddy Eagle 24 Jun 23 8.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I disagree. It is the point. Individuals can and do behave stupidly. Consensus scientific opinion reaches informed conclusions. And Ferguson was one of those acting stupidly even though he is supposedly an expert and on whose dread prognosis plans were made. He wasn't too bothered about catching it was he?
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Teddy Eagle

24 Jun 23 8.38am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I disagree. It is the point. Individuals can and do behave stupidly. Consensus scientific opinion reaches informed conclusions.

And Ferguson was one of those acting stupidly even though he is supposedly an expert and on whose dread prognosis plans were made. He wasn't too bothered about catching it was he?

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