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Tickled pink Cornwall 28 Dec 20 9.56pm
Originally posted by AuntyAnne70 Most of the Leicester players who appeared today play most of the time. They have a better team and squad than us and some. Their owners invest more money. As of last season, Palace were 16th in the net spending table. So little investment, but Roy is to blame! Of course it's his fault, he makes the players pass the ball to the opposition when there's a great opportunity to pass to a team mate and he makes our players miss chance after chance when attempting to score and worst of all he even makes our defenders make awful mistakes that allow the opposition to score goals I really think he should be sacked this instant and sent to jail for life, I'm not kidding.
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Cornwall 28 Dec 20 9.56pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

Most of the Leicester players who appeared today play most of the time.

They have a better team and squad than us and some.

Their owners invest more money.

As of last season, Palace were 16th in the net spending table.

So little investment, but Roy is to blame!

Of course it's his fault, he makes the players pass the ball to the opposition when there's a great opportunity to pass to a team mate and he makes our players miss chance after chance when attempting to score and worst of all he even makes our defenders make awful mistakes that allow the opposition to score goals I really think he should be sacked this instant and sent to jail for life, I'm not kidding.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 28 Dec 20 9.59pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Oh no I'm not. I think you are and you know it.
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Cornwall 28 Dec 20 9.59pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Oh no I'm not.

I think you are and you know it.

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cpfccccc Bromley 28 Dec 20 10.00pm
‘Varying degrees of blaming the manager or not on here. But do you seriously think Roy sends the team out to play like it did first half? No I don’t. So he could use his subs. Change the game plan. Something radical like that’ But that’s a different argument. Tactics and subs is a different discussion to whether the players have let down Roy On that argument I still think we lack quality options and the lack of investment in players for years is a worrying trend and again not something that can be blamed on Roy I am not saying he doesn’t deserve some blame and criticism as I worry about changes in tactics etc, but the amount of blame on here solely aimed at Roy seems over the top to me and I think the players seem to be getting an easy ride
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Bromley 28 Dec 20 10.00pm

‘Varying degrees of blaming the manager or not on here. But do you seriously think Roy sends the team out to play like it did first half?

No I don’t. So he could use his subs. Change the game plan. Something radical like that’

But that’s a different argument. Tactics and subs is a different discussion to whether the players have let down Roy

On that argument I still think we lack quality options and the lack of investment in players for years is a worrying trend and again not something that can be blamed on Roy

I am not saying he doesn’t deserve some blame and criticism as I worry about changes in tactics etc, but the amount of blame on here solely aimed at Roy seems over the top to me and I think the players seem to be getting an easy ride

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Tickled pink Cornwall 28 Dec 20 10.05pm
Originally posted by Onlyfools opinion look at Sadio Mané for example he was decent at Southampton but at Liverpool klopp has turned him into one of the best players in the league if not the world just mad really how good he's become since there's plenty more examples to It shows to me that it helps to be surrounded by players of similar ability, nothing more nothing less, having the sort of movement and balls all around him makes his job easier and less stressful.
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Originally posted by Onlyfools opinion

look at Sadio Mané for example he was decent at Southampton but at Liverpool klopp has turned him into one of the best players in the league if not the world just mad really how good he's become since there's plenty more examples to

It shows to me that it helps to be surrounded by players of similar ability, nothing more nothing less, having the sort of movement and balls all around him makes his job easier and less stressful.

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ex hibitionist Hastings 28 Dec 20 10.11pm
Originally posted by cpfccccc ‘Varying degrees of blaming the manager or not on here. But do you seriously think Roy sends the team out to play like it did first half? No I don’t. So he could use his subs. Change the game plan. Something radical like that’ But that’s a different argument. Tactics and subs is a different discussion to whether the players have let down Roy On that argument I still think we lack quality options and the lack of investment in players for years is a worrying trend and again not something that can be blamed on Roy I am not saying he doesn’t deserve some blame and criticism as I worry about changes in tactics etc, but the amount of blame on here solely aimed at Roy seems over the top to me and I think the players seem to be getting an easy ride here here!
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Originally posted by cpfccccc

‘Varying degrees of blaming the manager or not on here. But do you seriously think Roy sends the team out to play like it did first half?

No I don’t. So he could use his subs. Change the game plan. Something radical like that’

But that’s a different argument. Tactics and subs is a different discussion to whether the players have let down Roy

On that argument I still think we lack quality options and the lack of investment in players for years is a worrying trend and again not something that can be blamed on Roy

here here!

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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Dec 20 10.33pm
Jeeagles, your name must be Stanley cos you are a complete tool. Your obsessive hatred of RH is bizarre. Are you sitting there pulling the wings off insects? WTF has him visiting South Africa years ago got to do with anything now.t Originally posted by jeeagles He definitely doesn't read the press. Or at least he used to ignore it. We've got a "gentleman" at the helm who in his younger days, flew half way round the world to play football in South Africa. Ignoring all the sanctions and boycotts because "he was desperate to play". He built a long illustration and mostly fraudulent career on the back of it. I'm sure Nelson Mandela and his comrades would say their prison sentences and persecution was worth it, if Roy got to kick a ball around. Maybe he was just oblivious to global news. Edited by jeeagles (28 Dec 2020 6.35pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 28 Dec 20 10.33pm

Jeeagles, your name must be Stanley cos you are a complete tool.

Your obsessive hatred of RH is bizarre. Are you sitting there pulling the wings off insects?

WTF has him visiting South Africa years ago got to do with anything now.t

Originally posted by jeeagles

He definitely doesn't read the press.

Or at least he used to ignore it.

We've got a "gentleman" at the helm who in his younger days, flew half way round the world to play football in South Africa. Ignoring all the sanctions and boycotts because "he was desperate to play". He built a long illustration and mostly fraudulent career on the back of it.

I'm sure Nelson Mandela and his comrades would say their prison sentences and persecution was worth it, if Roy got to kick a ball around.

Maybe he was just oblivious to global news.

Edited by jeeagles (28 Dec 2020 6.35pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 28 Dec 20 10.39pm
Originally posted by cpfccccc ‘Varying degrees of blaming the manager or not on here. But do you seriously think Roy sends the team out to play like it did first half? No I don’t. So he could use his subs. Change the game plan. Something radical like that’ But that’s a different argument. Tactics and subs is a different discussion to whether the players have let down Roy On that argument I still think we lack quality options and the lack of investment in players for years is a worrying trend and again not something that can be blamed on Roy I am not saying he doesn’t deserve some blame and criticism as I worry about changes in tactics etc, but the amount of blame on here solely aimed at Roy seems over the top to me and I think the players seem to be getting an easy ride This is the bottom line. The problem I have with the Roy Out stuff is that there are no coherent / consistent arguments about what he is doing wrong other than blase statements and cliches about game plans and subs and then talking up average or poor players who he isn't picking. With regard the players I think they are largely an honest (there are exceptions IMO Benteke, PVA, Sakho) group of fairly average players who have done well for the club but there is a lack of quality and guile in the final third. As others have pointed out you also can't carry that many players who are on the way down at the same time particularly when they were one paced to start with. I do think his continual selection of Luka may bite him. I think things are very stale and results / performances worrying so get why some want a change but also remember the mess the likes of Eddie Howe got into last season. Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (28 Dec 2020 10.40pm)
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Originally posted by cpfccccc

‘Varying degrees of blaming the manager or not on here. But do you seriously think Roy sends the team out to play like it did first half?

No I don’t. So he could use his subs. Change the game plan. Something radical like that’

But that’s a different argument. Tactics and subs is a different discussion to whether the players have let down Roy

On that argument I still think we lack quality options and the lack of investment in players for years is a worrying trend and again not something that can be blamed on Roy

This is the bottom line. The problem I have with the Roy Out stuff is that there are no coherent / consistent arguments about what he is doing wrong other than blase statements and cliches about game plans and subs and then talking up average or poor players who he isn't picking.

With regard the players I think they are largely an honest (there are exceptions IMO Benteke, PVA, Sakho) group of fairly average players who have done well for the club but there is a lack of quality and guile in the final third. As others have pointed out you also can't carry that many players who are on the way down at the same time particularly when they were one paced to start with. I do think his continual selection of Luka may bite him.

I think things are very stale and results / performances worrying so get why some want a change but also remember the mess the likes of Eddie Howe got into last season.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (28 Dec 2020 10.40pm)

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TheBigToePunt 28 Dec 20 10.52pm
Most reports have us about 16th in the league when it comes to investment in players (transfer fees and wages). As the published financial report shows, that's cpfc flat out. We can't spend any more than we already do. Hence the need for an academy and a new stand. You get what you pay for mostly, and our players are as good as they are. One or two will hit an uplift in their career from time to time, and get noticeably better, just like one or two will do the opposite. By and large though they are what they are, and the managers job is to organise them rather than improve them. He is there to get out of them that which they have to give. Hodgson, just like Pulis and Alardyce before him, has achieved that by playing a fairly dour brand of football which can be tedious from game to game but effective in the long term. That's three experienced managers looking at what we've got and coming to the same conclusion tactically. Given that, for long spells, Hodgson hasn't had the same backing as some of his predecessors I think his results deserve respect, even if you're only comparing the financial outlay with the actual league positions. Still, quite a few people on here obviously know better.
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28 Dec 20 10.52pm

Most reports have us about 16th in the league when it comes to investment in players (transfer fees and wages). As the published financial report shows, that's cpfc flat out. We can't spend any more than we already do. Hence the need for an academy and a new stand.

You get what you pay for mostly, and our players are as good as they are. One or two will hit an uplift in their career from time to time, and get noticeably better, just like one or two will do the opposite. By and large though they are what they are, and the managers job is to organise them rather than improve them. He is there to get out of them that which they have to give.

Hodgson, just like Pulis and Alardyce before him, has achieved that by playing a fairly dour brand of football which can be tedious from game to game but effective in the long term. That's three experienced managers looking at what we've got and coming to the same conclusion tactically.

Given that, for long spells, Hodgson hasn't had the same backing as some of his predecessors I think his results deserve respect, even if you're only comparing the financial outlay with the actual league positions.

Still, quite a few people on here obviously know better.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 28 Dec 20 10.54pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid This is the bottom line. The problem I have with the Roy Out stuff is that there are no coherent / consistent arguments about what he is doing wrong other than blase statements and cliches about game plans and subs and then talking up average or poor players who he isn't picking. With regard the players I think they are largely an honest (there are exceptions IMO Benteke, PVA, Sakho) group of fairly average players who have done well for the club but there is a lack of quality and guile in the final third. As others have pointed out you also can't carry that many players who are on the way down at the same time particularly when they were one paced to start with. I do think his continual selection of Luka may bite him. I think things are very stale and results / performances worrying so get why some want a change but also remember the mess the likes of Eddie Howe got into last season. Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (28 Dec 2020 10.40pm) Eddie Howe would have better players to work with here and he is the correct age, I do not see why his players last ditch mistakes last season would deem him suddenly unable to manage again.
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Cornwall 28 Dec 20 10.54pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I think things are very stale and results / performances worrying so get why some want a change but also remember the mess the likes of Eddie Howe got into last season.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (28 Dec 2020 10.40pm)

Eddie Howe would have better players to work with here and he is the correct age, I do not see why his players last ditch mistakes last season would deem him suddenly unable to manage again.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 28 Dec 20 11.19pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink Eddie Howe would have better players to work with here and he is the correct age, I do not see why his players last ditch mistakes last season would deem him suddenly unable to manage again. Nobody said he was unable to manage again but Bournemouth went down because they couldn’t stop shipping goals despite having spent heavily. He looked almost clueless in the run in. His “style” would be unlikely to suit our ageing group IMO and they were absolute rubbish in the two games against us last season. Just trying to demonstrate that any change represents a risk as West Brom found when they sacked Pulis and appointed Pardew.
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28 Dec 20 11.19pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Eddie Howe would have better players to work with here and he is the correct age, I do not see why his players last ditch mistakes last season would deem him suddenly unable to manage again.

Nobody said he was unable to manage again but Bournemouth went down because they couldn’t stop shipping goals despite having spent heavily. He looked almost clueless in the run in.

His “style” would be unlikely to suit our ageing group IMO and they were absolute rubbish in the two games against us last season.

Just trying to demonstrate that any change represents a risk as West Brom found when they sacked Pulis and appointed Pardew.

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AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 28 Dec 20 11.28pm
Pullis now available! And some on here would want him! No thanks.
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Tunbridge WElls 28 Dec 20 11.28pm

Pullis now available!

And some on here would want him!

No thanks.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 28 Dec 20 11.48pm
Originally posted by Onlyfools opinion look at Sadio Mané for example he was decent at Southampton but at Liverpool klopp has turned him into one of the best players in the league if not the world just mad really how good he's become since there's plenty more examples to Well Mane does have Salah and Firmino alongside and two of the best attacking fullbacks plus several excellent ball passers to help him. Jota hit the ground running in that set-up without any Klopp development, so sorry, I don't buy that one. I'm not saying Klopp isn't a great manager, he is, just that a lot of Mane's improvement has come from being in a team that performs (almost) week-in and week-out. Edited by doombear (28 Dec 2020 11.53pm) Edited by doombear (28 Dec 2020 11.53pm)
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Too far from Selhurst Park 28 Dec 20 11.48pm

Originally posted by Onlyfools opinion

look at Sadio Mané for example he was decent at Southampton but at Liverpool klopp has turned him into one of the best players in the league if not the world just mad really how good he's become since there's plenty more examples to

Well Mane does have Salah and Firmino alongside and two of the best attacking fullbacks plus several excellent ball passers to help him. Jota hit the ground running in that set-up without any Klopp development, so sorry, I don't buy that one. I'm not saying Klopp isn't a great manager, he is, just that a lot of Mane's improvement has come from being in a team that performs (almost) week-in and week-out.

Edited by doombear (28 Dec 2020 11.53pm)

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