A point I want to add is I think it's wrong to put personalities ahead of principles, so I don't agree with this 'worship' of Tommy Robinson some people (not in here) have.

Wisbech is in serious deludeville.

Look at what's happening to Boris J at the moment just because he spoke quite tame truths about the Burka.....and this is with an Islamic population at probably 7 to 10 percent.

You have the left and right falling over themselves to supplicant themselves to a religion which is far more politically active then any Christian group here.

None of this is in my name. I will never apologise for being secular, western, white, English/British, working class and I'm surrendering nothing to no one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I want also to improve social cohesion and eradicate barbaric principles there is no dispute there! Most decent Muslims would as well. The issue is not the destination. It's the route to be taken to get there. I won't name names because although they ought to be obvious I am not in the habit of directly accusing anyone. The only one who gets a pointed finger is "Robinson" himself, who is openly, and unapologetically, an extremist. I despise extreme politics, whether they be of the left or the right.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Can someone tell me the ages of the muslim fanatics who have killed and maimed in the last ten years.
If as wisbeach states it is beginning to change through the generations what does the result of this question tell us.
Maybe he is wrong!

In these threads you admit that you are a member of UKIP. You defend "Robinson" and cheerlead for Trump. Then you call ME deluded. I will let others decide about that. I would take long odds that if we asked the general public, although not the contributors here, it wouldn't be me who they thought deluded!

I don't question the 2016 survey results. The point is that they are from 2016. Not from 2026 or 2066. If the attitudes reported in 2016 continued then we would have a problem. We will though surely see a difference in 10 and 50 years from now, when positive policies and time have worked. Unless you are a creationist, or evolution denier, like so many other Trump supporters are, there is a lesson from evolution that is instructive. Which is that everything adapts to a changed environment. The same is true both of religions, and of local cultures. British culture has modified itself many times in my lifetime as changes occurred. My mother never ate a Chicken Tikka Marsala but I bet you have. It will adapt again. So will Islam in the UK. Islam adapts. It's different in Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia so why not the UK? It just needs encouragement and support mixed with an unswerving commitment to seeing that the law is applied to all, fairly and equally. Alongside the removal of any religious teaching in schools and the instruction in British values I agree with the government's idea to introduce a stricter requirement for those wishing to become citizens that necessitates a commitment to adhere to a set of British values, as well as an understanding of life in the UK. Break the commitment and you lose your citizenship. I also have no problem with requiring citizens not to cover their face in public. Most second generation Muslims, especially the women, will welcome more emancipation and freedom. In short I am not at all gloomy about the future, because of Islam. Because of the stupidity of Brexit and the damage the idiot in the WH is doing to the world I am very concerned, but hopeful that the former can be reversed and that the latter will soon be in jail.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Again, these attitudes amongst this group are seen across the Islamic world. They do not change significantly over time. Also again, you ignore the fact that foreign Muslims are always coming into the country.

These attitudes are from their religion, but suggesting that they will change you are essentially saying that Muslims will become agnostic. Some will, most won't. Look at the populations of Muslims around the world who are in minorities. Point to me the ones that have majority secular and liberal attitudes.

You are in dreamland. They will defend their religion because it is their identity.

The kind of dreamland scenario you are waffling about could only happen if we only had reformist mosques allowed here and that Muslims were not allowed to live in highly Islamic areas where they can be a 'country within a country'.

That's totally impractical and it's not going to happen. There is no will for any of this to happen. Your views on integration come out of hope rather than any realistic notion of reality.

The generations of the future will know who to blame. Unfortunately they will be long dead.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 9.11pm)

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