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W12 03 Feb 22 7.09am
Even if it’s 100k (which I’m sure it isn’t), over 2 years in a population of some 68,000,000 that’s just a flu. I don’t understand why people cannot accept this. The only two explanations I have are: 1. The average person cannot accept the government and it’s advisors are so incompetent 2. The average person cannot accept the government and it’s advisors do not have their best interests at heart Both also seem baffling to me.
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W12 03 Feb 22 7.09am

Even if it’s 100k (which I’m sure it isn’t), over 2 years in a population of some 68,000,000 that’s just a flu.

I don’t understand why people cannot accept this.

The only two explanations I have are:

1. The average person cannot accept the government and it’s advisors are so incompetent
2. The average person cannot accept the government and it’s advisors do not have their best interests at heart

Both also seem baffling to me.

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W12 03 Feb 22 7.13am
Originally posted by W12 Matt Le Tissier [Link] Not sure why the football/sporting world is unable to even discuss this. Edited by W12 (02 Feb 2022 1.47pm) I also find it strange and uncomfortable that most people skipped over this without comment apart from the usual “but he’s not a medical expert” stuff. If I knew a certain type of commercial aircraft kept falling out of the sky I wouldn’t need to understand what was causing it to raise the alarm. And I certainly wouldn’t get on one.
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W12 03 Feb 22 7.13am

Originally posted by W12

Matt Le Tissier

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Not sure why the football/sporting world is unable to even discuss this.

Edited by W12 (02 Feb 2022 1.47pm)

I also find it strange and uncomfortable that most people skipped over this without comment apart from the usual “but he’s not a medical expert” stuff.

If I knew a certain type of commercial aircraft kept falling out of the sky I wouldn’t need to understand what was causing it to raise the alarm. And I certainly wouldn’t get on one.

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W12 03 Feb 22 7.40am
Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills. The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent. [Link] Economy destroyed Huge numbers of small businesses destroyed National dept up 100’s of billions Patients go undiagnosed and untreated for cancer, heart disease etc Mass mental health crisis Children’s lives destroyed Domestic abuse Suicide, drug and alcohol dependency Drug companies make 100’s of billions 0.2% What a f***ing joke.
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W12 03 Feb 22 7.40am

Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills.

The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent.

[Link]

Economy destroyed
Huge numbers of small businesses destroyed
National dept up 100’s of billions
Patients go undiagnosed and untreated for cancer, heart disease etc
Mass mental health crisis
Children’s lives destroyed
Domestic abuse
Suicide, drug and alcohol dependency
Drug companies make 100’s of billions

0.2%

What a f***ing joke.

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W12 03 Feb 22 7.54am
One last post on this and I’m f***ing done. I will find it very difficult to forgive. 1. People who were willing to ignore clear evidence that PCR tests were a nonsense as a diagnostic test which the inventor himself (Karry Mulligan) clearly lays out. 2. People that were unwilling to accept that the average age of death for this “disease” was above the average age of death in this country. 3. People that cheered on effectively scaring and locking old people away in care home and locking children away in their bedrooms (and telling them they were a danger to granny) for no good reason other than it made them “feel safe” 4. The clear and early evidence from multiple sources that none of this made sense and there only ever was a pandemic of “cases” (see #1) 5. Last but most of all the people that injected clearly dangerous experimental gene therapies into unsuspecting children at no risk from this. May they rot in hell for all eternity.
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W12 03 Feb 22 7.54am

One last post on this and I’m f***ing done.

I will find it very difficult to forgive.

1. People who were willing to ignore clear evidence that PCR tests were a nonsense as a diagnostic test which the inventor himself (Karry Mulligan) clearly lays out.
2. People that were unwilling to accept that the average age of death for this “disease” was above the average age of death in this country.
3. People that cheered on effectively scaring and locking old people away in care home and locking children away in their bedrooms (and telling them they were a danger to granny) for no good reason other than it made them “feel safe”
4. The clear and early evidence from multiple sources that none of this made sense and there only ever was a pandemic of “cases” (see #1)
5. Last but most of all the people that injected clearly dangerous experimental gene therapies into unsuspecting children at no risk from this. May they rot in hell for all eternity.

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 8.36am
Originally posted by grumpymort Correct we will never know the true numbers so what you do is go by the raw data we do have. The second link I posted is the correct numbers of covid-19 deaths. People who had other issues is meaningless look at the numbers and the groups these people without this virus being aorund may of died in there sleep or from a cold which brings me to the next bit. You stated about the death rate numbers being up incorrect I suggest you go back and do the math a 2 year period is invalid for a start you need to be looking at a decade at least and add in the margin of error rate once you have done this you will get more realistic numbers which show no increase. This is a basic error normal people make all the time when it comes to data and the likes of the media play on it any one with training knows you have to look at the raw data and do the math. The whole pandemic was a big scam you have pointed out a few issues mental health this has shown people have gotten to soft now and a system which has been neglected yet what is it we are still hearing about its not those issues or people with poor lifestyle/diet but parties govt members had this sums up the sham this whole thing has been. Another point to mention is a lot of the deaths was due to medical neglect many cases especially in US are coming to light now I expect in UK it was just as bad. Edited by grumpymort (03 Feb 2022 3.43am) Will we ever really find out the real numbers? I don't know. The average death numbers is I think the best objective method and how far out you think is relevant does matter but unless you think it's a conspiracy amongst doctors to agree to do this I think the sudden large increase in the last two years has some relevance. I'm not saying that I'm the last word on it or that I'm right and you're wrong I'm just putting out a view just as your good self has. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 22 8.36am

Originally posted by grumpymort

Correct we will never know the true numbers so what you do is go by the raw data we do have.

The second link I posted is the correct numbers of covid-19 deaths.

People who had other issues is meaningless look at the numbers and the groups these people without this virus being aorund may of died in there sleep or from a cold which brings me to the next bit.

You stated about the death rate numbers being up incorrect I suggest you go back and do the math a 2 year period is invalid for a start you need to be looking at a decade at least and add in the margin of error rate once you have done this you will get more realistic numbers which show no increase.

This is a basic error normal people make all the time when it comes to data and the likes of the media play on it any one with training knows you have to look at the raw data and do the math.

The whole pandemic was a big scam you have pointed out a few issues mental health this has shown people have gotten to soft now and a system which has been neglected yet what is it we are still hearing about its not those issues or people with poor lifestyle/diet but parties govt members had this sums up the sham this whole thing has been.

Another point to mention is a lot of the deaths was due to medical neglect many cases especially in US are coming to light now I expect in UK it was just as bad.

Edited by grumpymort (03 Feb 2022 3.43am)

Will we ever really find out the real numbers? I don't know.

The average death numbers is I think the best objective method and how far out you think is relevant does matter but unless you think it's a conspiracy amongst doctors to agree to do this I think the sudden large increase in the last two years has some relevance.

I'm not saying that I'm the last word on it or that I'm right and you're wrong I'm just putting out a view just as your good self has.

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 8.42am
Originally posted by W12 Even if it’s 100k (which I’m sure it isn’t), over 2 years in a population of some 68,000,000 that’s just a flu. I don’t understand why people cannot accept this. The only two explanations I have are: 1. The average person cannot accept the government and it’s advisors are so incompetent 2. The average person cannot accept the government and it’s advisors do not have their best interests at heart Both also seem baffling to me. I think it's a question that, whatever the real death total is, did the measures taken in social distancing, hygiene, work from home and all the rest of the lockdown/liberty restrictions actually reduce death totals or just spread them out over a longer time period. Regardless, like yourself, I never agreed with the covid response once the severity of the illness was known.....instead of locking down the healthy population we should have been focused purely upon the vulnerable as best we could. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 22 8.42am

Originally posted by W12

Even if it’s 100k (which I’m sure it isn’t), over 2 years in a population of some 68,000,000 that’s just a flu.

I don’t understand why people cannot accept this.

The only two explanations I have are:

Both also seem baffling to me.

I think it's a question that, whatever the real death total is, did the measures taken in social distancing, hygiene, work from home and all the rest of the lockdown/liberty restrictions actually reduce death totals or just spread them out over a longer time period.

Regardless, like yourself, I never agreed with the covid response once the severity of the illness was known.....instead of locking down the healthy population we should have been focused purely upon the vulnerable as best we could.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 8.46am
Originally posted by W12 I also find it strange and uncomfortable that most people skipped over this without comment apart from the usual “but he’s not a medical expert” stuff. If I knew a certain type of commercial aircraft kept falling out of the sky I wouldn’t need to understand what was causing it to raise the alarm. And I certainly wouldn’t get on one. I agree, it should be looked into. However, we have been told that the virus itself can also cause heart inflammation as well as the vaccines.....and it's a matter of annoyance that we haven't seen the numbers on which is generally which....Perhaps it isn't something they are motivated to look into. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 8.46am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 22 8.46am

Originally posted by W12

I also find it strange and uncomfortable that most people skipped over this without comment apart from the usual “but he’s not a medical expert” stuff.

If I knew a certain type of commercial aircraft kept falling out of the sky I wouldn’t need to understand what was causing it to raise the alarm. And I certainly wouldn’t get on one.

I agree, it should be looked into.

However, we have been told that the virus itself can also cause heart inflammation as well as the vaccines.....and it's a matter of annoyance that we haven't seen the numbers on which is generally which....Perhaps it isn't something they are motivated to look into.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 8.46am)

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 8.49am
Originally posted by W12 Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills. The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent. [Link] Economy destroyed Huge numbers of small businesses destroyed National dept up 100’s of billions Patients go undiagnosed and untreated for cancer, heart disease etc Mass mental health crisis Children’s lives destroyed Domestic abuse Suicide, drug and alcohol dependency Drug companies make 100’s of billions 0.2% What a f***ing joke. I suspect that there is a lot of truth in this. However as the government, unelected bodies, corporations and media were all drivers on lockdowns and the covid hysteria I very much doubt that they are all going to willingly turn into Turkeys before Christmas and accept responsibility for bad policies. And even if they magically did they would come out with the amusing line that it couldn't be predicted and that their policy direction was the reasonsble one to take. Even though it was an unprecedented departure from official pandemic response, built up from years of research, that had been on the books for a very long time. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 8.52am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 22 8.49am

Originally posted by W12

Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills.

The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent.

[Link]

0.2%

What a f***ing joke.

I suspect that there is a lot of truth in this.

However as the government, unelected bodies, corporations and media were all drivers on lockdowns and the covid hysteria I very much doubt that they are all going to willingly turn into Turkeys before Christmas and accept responsibility for bad policies.

And even if they magically did they would come out with the amusing line that it couldn't be predicted and that their policy direction was the reasonsble one to take.

Even though it was an unprecedented departure from official pandemic response, built up from years of research, that had been on the books for a very long time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 8.52am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Feb 22 8.49am
I'll just put this out there for balance. The guy pushing this, Dr Makary, is an oncologist. A surgeon and neither an immunology specialist nor a statistician. He has pushed it via a Tucker Carlson interview. Carlson has a reputation for spreading conspiracy theories. Makary's Wiki includes "During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading." At the very least I would therefore suggest this needs to be treated with extreme caution. Those who want to believe this narrative won't of course. Having searched the John Hopkins University site I cannot find the "study by economists" he references. The only conclusion must be that they don't endorse it. So who did it? Has it been peer reviewed? Can we trust it? Unless and until the methodology and conclusions are looked at by those with expertise in this field, it would be unwise to regard this with anything other than suspicion, given its provenance. That, of course, won't stop headlines in the Daily Mail being treated as the truth. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Feb 22 8.49am

I'll just put this out there for balance. The guy pushing this, Dr Makary, is an oncologist. A surgeon and neither an immunology specialist nor a statistician. He has pushed it via a Tucker Carlson interview. Carlson has a reputation for spreading conspiracy theories.

Makary's Wiki includes "During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading."

At the very least I would therefore suggest this needs to be treated with extreme caution. Those who want to believe this narrative won't of course.

Having searched the John Hopkins University site I cannot find the "study by economists" he references. The only conclusion must be that they don't endorse it. So who did it? Has it been peer reviewed? Can we trust it? Unless and until the methodology and conclusions are looked at by those with expertise in this field, it would be unwise to regard this with anything other than suspicion, given its provenance.

That, of course, won't stop headlines in the Daily Mail being treated as the truth.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 9.08am
Just putting this out there for balance but the Great Barrington declaration contained Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta and Jay Bhattacharyaa, which is a Nobel prize winner and amongst the highest qualified in the relevant fields and it also attacked the chosen covid policies as the appropriate response. This continual attempt to dismiss the highly qualified are the establishments and pharma companies trying to protect themselves.....for example the guy on Joe Rogan's podcast Dr Malone has I think 9 patents on the mRNA technology involved in the vaccines. Anything that differs has a lot of money against it. And let's not forget that some posters on here were telling us that NHS staff had consensus against the unvaccinated.....when the truth was far more grey and they were pushing misinformation. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 9.11am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 22 9.08am

Just putting this out there for balance but the Great Barrington declaration contained Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta and Jay Bhattacharyaa, which is a Nobel prize winner and amongst the highest qualified in the relevant fields and it also attacked the chosen covid policies as the appropriate response.

This continual attempt to dismiss the highly qualified are the establishments and pharma companies trying to protect themselves.....for example the guy on Joe Rogan's podcast Dr Malone has I think 9 patents on the mRNA technology involved in the vaccines.

Anything that differs has a lot of money against it.

And let's not forget that some posters on here were telling us that NHS staff had consensus against the unvaccinated.....when the truth was far more grey and they were pushing misinformation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 9.11am)

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W12 03 Feb 22 9.14am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I agree, it should be looked into. However, we have been told that the virus itself can also cause heart inflammation as well as the vaccines.....and it's a matter of annoyance that we haven't seen the numbers on which is generally which....Perhaps it isn't something they are motivated to look into. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 8.46am) The key phrase here is "we have been told..." because we've been told all sorts of absolute bunk mainly by people with conflicts of interest or those that are simply in fear of all this. There was no talk of heart problems in 2020 before we had the "vaccines". It's a coronavirus which is the same family as the common cold. I don't remember any talk of heart problems with the original SARS virus for which recovery provides immunity to SARS-COV-2 (a decade on). Not only that but many highly qualified experts in this field and whistleblowers were predicting this outcome due to the nature of the spike protein that's manufactured by the human body in response to the mRNA shots and travels all around the body causing havoc in the short, medium and long term and even crosses the blood brain barrier. This was what the "anti-vaxxers" have been trying to point out for months since this all started. There are many vectors by which these jabs can hurt you. Over the coming months you are going to see articles that say things like "COVID causes cancer", "COVID causes CJD" etc etc. All this was known in 2020 to be at least possible effects of these jabs yet the mounting health disaster either gets ignored or people get censored or de-platformed for talking about it. f*ing tragic but I'm done with trying to convince people. 2020 will be a grim f*ing year but I hope something positive comes out of it like the average person switches off their television and gets their head out of their arse.
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W12 03 Feb 22 9.14am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree, it should be looked into.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2022 8.46am)

The key phrase here is "we have been told..." because we've been told all sorts of absolute bunk mainly by people with conflicts of interest or those that are simply in fear of all this.

There was no talk of heart problems in 2020 before we had the "vaccines". It's a coronavirus which is the same family as the common cold. I don't remember any talk of heart problems with the original SARS virus for which recovery provides immunity to SARS-COV-2 (a decade on).

Not only that but many highly qualified experts in this field and whistleblowers were predicting this outcome due to the nature of the spike protein that's manufactured by the human body in response to the mRNA shots and travels all around the body causing havoc in the short, medium and long term and even crosses the blood brain barrier. This was what the "anti-vaxxers" have been trying to point out for months since this all started. There are many vectors by which these jabs can hurt you.

Over the coming months you are going to see articles that say things like "COVID causes cancer", "COVID causes CJD" etc etc. All this was known in 2020 to be at least possible effects of these jabs yet the mounting health disaster either gets ignored or people get censored or de-platformed for talking about it. f***ing tragic but I'm done with trying to convince people.

2020 will be a grim f***ing year but I hope something positive comes out of it like the average person switches off their television and gets their head out of their arse.

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 22 9.20am
Originally posted by W12 The key phrase here is "we have been told..." because we've been told all sorts of absolute bunk mainly by people with conflicts of interest or those that are simply in fear of all this. There was no talk of heart problems in 2020 before we had the "vaccines". It's a coronavirus which is the same family as the common cold. I don't remember any talk of heart problems with the original SARS virus for which recovery provides immunity to SARS-COV-2 (a decade on). Not only that but many highly qualified experts in this field and whistleblowers were predicting this outcome due to the nature of the spike protein that's manufactured by the human body in response to the mRNA shots and travels all around the body causing havoc in the short, medium and long term and even crosses the blood brain barrier. This was what the "anti-vaxxers" have been trying to point out for months since this all started. There are many vectors by which these jabs can hurt you. Over the coming months you are going to see articles that say things like "COVID causes cancer", "COVID causes CJD" etc etc. All this was known in 2020 to be at least possible effects of these jabs yet the mounting health disaster either gets ignored or people get censored or de-platformed for talking about it. f*ing tragic but I'm done with trying to convince people. 2020 will be a grim f*ing year but I hope something positive comes out of it like the average person switches off their television and gets their head out of their arse. While we are both critics of what's happened let's hope you're wrong mate about significant illness and deaths from these vaccines. Healthy people should never have been coerced into them and the push to vaccinate children for a virus that largely doesn't harm them is societal sickness. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 22 9.20am

Originally posted by W12

The key phrase here is "we have been told..." because we've been told all sorts of absolute bunk mainly by people with conflicts of interest or those that are simply in fear of all this.

2020 will be a grim f***ing year but I hope something positive comes out of it like the average person switches off their television and gets their head out of their arse.

While we are both critics of what's happened let's hope you're wrong mate about significant illness and deaths from these vaccines.

Healthy people should never have been coerced into them and the push to vaccinate children for a virus that largely doesn't harm them is societal sickness.

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