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BlueJay  UK 01 Feb 22 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well done and clearly we arnt all as brave as you. Indeed! Not all heroes wear capes
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 eaglesdare  01 Feb 22 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
What storm would that be then if it's such a nothing virus in your estimation? The storm of vax passports, forced and coercion tactics to get vaxxed. And to be honest i feel its only the eye of the storm and it will all rear its ugly head soon enough! (In my opinion)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Feb 22 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There is no such thing as 'full protection'. That is misinformation. Antibodies will always fade and reinfection will continually occur with virus evolution. That is not news and has been said here many many times....yet you write it as if I don't know. How individuals choose to deal with this virus in the future is for them. Herd immunity is a concept that best describes the protection that community immunity can provide. You can remain in denial if you wish to but it still exists. You can also fear monger all you like but thankfully people are getting on with their lives now and ignoring the likes of you. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Feb 2022 12.14pm) Anyone who claims that herd immunity already exists are the ones spreading misinformation and writing things that they clearly don't know anything about. What it is not a mystery. It is described well enough above. What is disingenuous is to suggest it already exists, when it obviously doesn't. Why anyone should decide to ignore the facts and pursue such an erroneous path can only be because they believe it supports their already well established prejudices. I have no interest in promoting fear and am glad to see us getting on with our lives. I am too. That though doesn't mean that I believe we should all just abandon common sense, throw caution to the wind and ignore the need to ensure we all get, and then keep, our vaccinations up to date. Only by doing so is there any chance of any kind of herd immunity arriving. Until the WHO declare the pandemic over I will listen to them and not self-righteous pseudo experts, either here on on YouTube. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (01 Feb 2022 6.07pm)
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| BlueJay UK 01 Feb 22 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
The storm of vax passports, forced and coercion tactics to get vaxxed. And to be honest i feel its only the eye of the storm and it will all rear its ugly head soon enough! (In my opinion) to my mind, events will dictate. Fewer people took up the booster jab for example, largely I would say due to the diminishing impact of covid. If that trend continues (as logically it may well do) I would think over time we will enter a 'flu jab' type scenario for the elderly and most vulnerable. In the (hopefully) less likely scenario of a curveball variant that is worse than anything we've seen before, I guess regardless of how we do or do not approach that to an extent we're back in the sh!t anyway.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Feb 22 7.38pm |
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Dr John Campbell on mandated vaccines using recent CDC data sets.
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 grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 02 Feb 22 10.22am |
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Not sure why people are still trying to claim covid-19 is a big issue we have even seen now the true data under freedom of information act which showed only around 17 thousand died from covid-19 in the UK those numbers are way of the claims of 160+ Gov claims [Link] True numbers [Link]
If you look back at the numbers for the last flu epidemic for UK it had a higher death rate. Edited by grumpymort (02 Feb 2022 10.29am)
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| W12 02 Feb 22 1.46pm | |
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Matt Le Tissier Not sure why the football/sporting world is unable to even discuss this. Edited by W12 (02 Feb 2022 1.47pm)
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| BlueJay UK 02 Feb 22 4.29pm |
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But what does Ja Rule think about all of this?
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 02 Feb 22 4.37pm |
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"The government has written off £8.7bn it spent on protective equipment bought during the pandemic, accounts show. The Department for Health and Social Care documents show items costing £673m were unusable, while £750m of equipment was not used before its expiry date. The largest write-off - £4.7bn - was because the government paid more for it than it is currently worth, now that global supplies have recovered." (BBC website) By-passing the normal procedures for tendering, i bet lots of cash ended up in Government friends pockets. I would love the police to investigate the giving of contracts too.
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| BlueJay UK 02 Feb 22 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
"The government has written off £8.7bn it spent on protective equipment bought during the pandemic, accounts show. The Department for Health and Social Care documents show items costing £673m were unusable, while £750m of equipment was not used before its expiry date. The largest write-off - £4.7bn - was because the government paid more for it than it is currently worth, now that global supplies have recovered." (BBC website) By-passing the normal procedures for tendering, i bet lots of cash ended up in Government friends pockets. I would love the police to investigate the giving of contracts too. Huge contracts to mates mates who never made a mask in their life but 'know a man who can'. What could go wrong. Still, I bet those who needed to, did nicely out of it. Never let a good crisis go to waste and all that..
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| Stirlingsays 02 Feb 22 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Not sure why people are still trying to claim covid-19 is a big issue we have even seen now the true data under freedom of information act which showed only around 17 thousand died from covid-19 in the UK those numbers are way of the claims of 160+ Gov claims [Link] True numbers [Link]
If you look back at the numbers for the last flu epidemic for UK it had a higher death rate. Edited by grumpymort (02 Feb 2022 10.29am) The true number is really difficult to know.....which is irritating because I think that was deliberate....the 28 days from a positive test isn't great. While under 18000 died of covid alone without any other complications a lot of the rest who had co morbidities would have died because covid was the main driver of their death.....how many? Probably a lot but we don't know. Personally I regard the death increase above the average as the best way of getting at the truth. I think that was somewhere around 127, 000 over on the last two years. My take is that the 'covid was the main reason for the death' is somewhere between 90,000 and 110,000, with the rest being from things related to the causes of the policies....deferred diagnoses and appointment delays, suicides from mental health and the like. The coming years is going to see that number...whatever it really is....increase. But that's just my thoughts as a layman. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 9.50pm)
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 03 Feb 22 3.06am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The true number is really difficult to know.....which is irritating because I think that was deliberate....the 28 days from a positive test isn't great. While under 18000 died of covid alone without any other complications a lot of the rest who had co morbidities would have died because covid was the main driver of their death.....how many? Probably a lot but we don't know. Personally I regard the death increase above the average as the best way of getting at the truth. I think that was somewhere around 127, 000 over on the last two years. My take is that the 'covid was the main reason for the death' is somewhere between 90,000 and 110,000, with the rest being from things related to the causes of the policies....deferred diagnoses and appointment delays, suicides from mental health and the like. The coming years is going to see that number...whatever it really is....increase. But that's just my thoughts as a layman. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 9.50pm)
The second link I posted is the correct numbers of covid-19 deaths. People who had other issues is meaningless look at the numbers and the groups these people without this virus being aorund may of died in there sleep or from a cold which brings me to the next bit. You stated about the death rate numbers being up incorrect I suggest you go back and do the math a 2 year period is invalid for a start you need to be looking at a decade at least and add in the margin of error rate once you have done this you will get more realistic numbers which show no increase. This is a basic error normal people make all the time when it comes to data and the likes of the media play on it any one with training knows you have to look at the raw data and do the math. The whole pandemic was a big scam you have pointed out a few issues mental health this has shown people have gotten to soft now and a system which has been neglected yet what is it we are still hearing about its not those issues or people with poor lifestyle/diet but parties govt members had this sums up the sham this whole thing has been. Another point to mention is a lot of the deaths was due to medical neglect many cases especially in US are coming to light now I expect in UK it was just as bad. Edited by grumpymort (03 Feb 2022 3.43am)
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