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 cryrst  The garden of England 01 Feb 22 11.39am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
So do I. Primarily when I'm tempted to read this thread. No eye or air holes of course. Though all semi jokes aside, a perk in this weather is that a mask keeps your face warm! I still wear a decent mask in supermarkets and public transport for the sake of the elderly and vulnerable but that's about it. It likely won't be long before even those who have endeavored to dodge covid Matrix style have come into contact with it, so I suppose down the line at least everyone will essentially know how the virus impacts them, which is the main unknown and concern for many of those most at risk. That and people in those risk groups 'should' certainly be vaccinated anyway, so that is likely to set outcome substantially in their favour when they first encounter it. Edited by BlueJay (01 Feb 2022 8.56am) You could be putting on your gimp mask by mistake BJ.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 Feb 22 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Did you even read the article you linked to? To quote, 'The original Sars-CoV-2 virus strain had a herd immunity threshold that was estimated at 60-75%. But more recent and more transmissible variants, such as Delta and Omicron, likely have thresholds upwards of 80-90% – and that’s assuming everyone who has been vaccinated or previously infected is fully protected against future infection.' I just showed you that we are at near 100 percent with antibodies. I don't know how much more 'herd immunity' something can get. The government has removed all previous restrictions. When are you going to get that into your head. Regardless of vaccine status people will continually get reinfected. How they deal with that reality will be their personal choice, just as it is and was for the over fifties with flu....Personal choice is as it should be. These authors make warning claims that read pretty similar to claims made about Omicron previously that haven't panned out and thank god our own government didn't listen to....because they were wrong. Just like you are wrong. But hey, keep linking to the Guardian, Mr 'One nation conservative'.
Of course, I read it. However I understood it, rather than jumped to incorrect conclusions that simply fit a desired narrative. The key phrase is "assuming everyone who has been vaccinated or previously infected is fully protected against future infection." Detection of antibodies and full protection are not equivalent. Antibodies fade. They don't fully respond to variants. Herd immunity does not exist because of their detection. We have removed restrictions because Omicron is not seen as a threat. They were also removed by a populist government under pressure from their own MPs. Hopefully Covid is on the way to becoming endemic but not because of herd immunity. The common cold is endemic, but herd immunity doesn't exist for it. Herd immunity, if it can be established, is best achieved via vaccination. Read this from the WHO to understand why:-
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| Stirlingsays 01 Feb 22 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, I read it. However I understood it, rather than jumped to incorrect conclusions that simply fit a desired narrative. The key phrase is "assuming everyone who has been vaccinated or previously infected is fully protected against future infection." Detection of antibodies and full protection are not equivalent. Antibodies fade. They don't fully respond to variants. Herd immunity does not exist because of their detection. We have removed restrictions because Omicron is not seen as a threat. They were also removed by a populist government under pressure from their own MPs. Hopefully Covid is on the way to becoming endemic but not because of herd immunity. The common cold is endemic, but herd immunity doesn't exist for it. Herd immunity, if it can be established, is best achieved via vaccination. Read this from the WHO to understand why:- There is no such thing as 'full protection'. That is misinformation. Antibodies will always fade and reinfection will continually occur with virus evolution. That is not news and has been said here many many times....yet you write it as if I don't know. How individuals choose to deal with this virus in the future is for them. Herd immunity is a concept that best describes the protection that community immunity can provide. You can remain in denial if you wish to but it still exists. You can also fear monger all you like but thankfully people are getting on with their lives now and ignoring the likes of you. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Feb 2022 12.14pm)
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| BlueJay UK 01 Feb 22 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You could be putting on your gimp mask by mistake BJ. I did wonder why it was being sold by a Dominatrix. Just figured she was diversifying after picking up a lucrative government PPE contract!
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Feb 22 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I did wonder why it was being sold by a Dominatrix. Just figured she was diversifying after picking up a lucrative government PPE contract! Velvet lined, only the best from hmg supplies
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Feb 22 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There is no such thing as 'full protection'. That is misinformation. Antibodies will always fade and reinfection will continually occur with virus evolution. That is not news and has been said here many many times....yet you write it as if I don't know. How individuals choose to deal with this virus in the future is for them. Herd immunity is a concept that best describes the protection that community immunity can provide. You can remain in denial if you wish to but it still exists. You can also fear monger all you like but thankfully people are getting on with their lives now and ignoring the likes of you. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Feb 2022 12.14pm) Yup, 23 years ago I found that out
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| Stirlingsays 01 Feb 22 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Yup, 23 years ago I found that out Our immune system is constantly fighting bugs off. At some point a person's immunity isn't going to win...due to age, illness, immunity suppression or whatever. It sucks.
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Feb 22 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Our immune system is constantly fighting bugs off. At some point a person's immunity isn't going to win...due to age, illness, immunity suppression or whatever. It sucks. And she didn't do that either on that night and the proof is now 22 years old. Read your first line to wissie earlier
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| eaglesdare 01 Feb 22 4.45pm |
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Still not vaccinated! absolutely delighted I weathered the storm and did not give in to the fear mongers and bed wetters who hide behind their sofas wearing two masks and have thier 3 jabs!
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| Stirlingsays 01 Feb 22 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
And she didn't do that either on that night and the proof is now 22 years old. Read your first line to wissie earlier
Passion fruit.
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Feb 22 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Still not vaccinated! absolutely delighted I weathered the storm and did not give in to the fear mongers and bed wetters who hide behind their sofas wearing two masks and have thier 3 jabs! Well done and clearly we arnt all as brave as you.
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| BlueJay UK 01 Feb 22 5.49pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Still not vaccinated! absolutely delighted I weathered the storm and did not give in to the fear mongers and bed wetters who hide behind their sofas wearing two masks and have thier 3 jabs! What storm would that be then if it's such a nothing virus in your estimation?
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