I have searched for that quote, to check its context, but cannot find it. There is a post at 6.52 pm but not from me.

In any event I suggest it is read again, slowly and carefully. That's not me suggesting that I believe anyone is uneducated. It's me suggesting that anyone who does feel like that has now started to feel sorry for them, presumably in the context of them gaining sympathy as a result of vaccinations becoming mandatory.

I certainly believe those who refuse vaccination to be unwise, and many to be selfish, but couldn't say whether they were educated, or not. That though wouldn't stop others making such a comment.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Herd immunity has been established for covid. The office for National Statistics estimate that in England 98.0% of the adult population (95% credible interval: 97.6% to 98.3%) would have tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in the week beginning 3 January 2022. The picture is similar for the rest of the UK.

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Despite irrational denials from you that everyone won't catch it the reality is that covid is now endemic. If someone lives long enough they will catch this, regardless of vaccine status, just as they will catch the common cold.

The truth of the matter is that covid has long since spread and that the vast majority have antibodies yet you are still married to a past narrative of fear mongering and supporting punishments for people.

You are the one spreading myths. You are the one who has supported coercion, something which has forced people to choose between their livelihoods and their preferences. You are the person who has suggested that people be ostracized.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Feb 2022 4.16am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I find myself constantly putting on mask, out of habit now.

Red and Blue Army!

Your idea of poor choice is irrelevant. Care is patient led. Body autonomy is law, it is in the mental capacity act, in the equlality act.

Whether a Hep vaccine and the Covid one are directly comparable is a matter of opinion ... Sorry its a medical fact. The profiles are entirely different.

Reccommended is not mandatory .. And that was a major point.

Government backed by Labour ignored law and the caring sectors. The government backed by Labour used the care sector as an experiment to see if they could get a measure into the NHS. Humans in the care sector had less worth than the humans in the NHS.

Government backed by Labour ignored the implcations of sacking tens of thousands of staff in the care sector, and put individuals at more risk.

Shame on them.

That's a pretty wild, and unsubstantiated claim.

The link from the ONS does not mention herd immunity at all. It is only about the presence of antibodies, which are there in the vast majority of us as a result of the vaccinations we have had.

I am not an expert but so far as I understand things, whilst having a large % of people with antibodies is a good sign it doesn't equal herd immunity. We know people get infected more than once. We know the virus mutates. We know immunity fades. Having some antibodies doesn't mean you have enough to protect.

Try reading this:- [Link]

It is to be hoped that we are on the way to Covid becoming endemic, but we aren't there yet. Omicron has proved, as predicted, less harmful but another variant may not be. We must remain cautious. The brakes are off again, so enjoy the relaxation but the need to stay on top of the vaccination programme is every bit as important now as before.

I blanch with despair at some of the attitudes I encounter over vaccination in general. Only today I read that we face a measles crisis again, due to vaccine scepticism. Scepticism promoted by misinformation.

We need to ensure vaccination is an accepted, normal, regular life event for all. Trusted and uncontroversial. So when the next pandemic arrives we all just get on with it.

People should not even be thinking about "preferences". There is no choice between life or death. This ought to be a "no-brainer" for everyone. It's not a choice between jam or marmalade.

Those who endlessly bang-on about personal freedom as though it is the most essential aspect of life, are really not free at all. They are hog-tied to an ideology without any real meaning, or value, which serves nothing other than their selfishness.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Did you even read the article you linked to?

To quote, 'The original Sars-CoV-2 virus strain had a herd immunity threshold that was estimated at 60-75%. But more recent and more transmissible variants, such as Delta and Omicron, likely have thresholds upwards of 80-90% – and that’s assuming everyone who has been vaccinated or previously infected is fully protected against future infection.'

I just showed you that we are at near 100 percent with antibodies. I don't know how much more 'herd immunity' something can get.

The government has removed all previous restrictions. When are you going to get that into your head. Regardless of vaccine status people will continually get reinfected. How they deal with that reality will be their personal choice, just as it is and was for the over fifties with flu....Personal choice is as it should be.

These authors make warning claims that read pretty similar to claims made about Omicron previously that haven't panned out and thank god our own government didn't listen to....because they were wrong.

Just like you are wrong. But hey, keep linking to the Guardian, Mr 'One nation conservative'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Feb 2022 10.54am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)