Just so I understand, you don’t trust my figures which are laid out there for you to read and investigate but you are happy to put up figures the even you accept are wrong and double the cost of the NHS or numbers that can be demonstrated to significantly overestimate the difference in defense and health spending.
The links I’ve posted here on funding come from government figure so it would need to be the government under reporting what they spend on the NHS, as you say we love the NHS in this country so what would be the point in under reporting how much we spend on it? Much more common is government over stating what the spend on the NHS.
I’m sorry if you found it sneery that wasn’t my intention.

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

Not by law. What occurred is individuals could risk profile and assess x employment. This would have been taken away by law across the care sector. Government would have controlled decision making .. A new low.

Are you stating that highly professional care workers and those in the NHS who do not support mandatory vaccination are irresponsible?

Are you actually stating that caring professions are staffed by the unwise, uneducated and selfish?

Are you aware that Unions, medical colleges and the majority of staff in sectors were opposed to mandatory vaccination? Are these hundreds of thousands of staff and health care professionals unwise, uneducated and selfish?

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Edited by Pembroke (31 Jan 2022 6.57pm)

You're nearly like my complete political opposite. I mean we hardly agree on anything.

It's incredibly arrogant to call people who make a different medical decision as uneducated and also incorrect to call them selfish.....As I say, just how many body organs have you donated mate?....I bet a big fat zero. I bet you don't give blood on a weekly routine....so selfish yourself Corny.

There are also a fair few Phds who haven't taken these vaccines....I remember looking into it a few months back so your 'uneducated' charge is well.....uneducated.

It doesn't really matter why someone doesn't take state advice, there will be many different reasons, from 'pro vaccine, pro choice' to conspiracy.

In the west we are meant to respect freedom.....you just pay it lip service.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I thought it was already a condition of employment for certain health care workers to be vaccinated against Hep B & C if they were going to have face to face contact with patients. Not that they cannot work in other areas. This seems to support that:-

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The law isn't involved. Employers can decide for themselves what conditions of employment apply.

I am saying any health care worker who puts their supposed right to take personal decisions above the safety of their patients, as defined by their employer, are not behaving as they should. Not that they should be forced to act against their will, but that their employer has both a right, and a duty, to put the patient's interests first.

I too, for the reasons explained before, am not in favour of mandatory vaccination.

My wife works in health care. I know full well the devotion and love shown by her and her colleagues is something we all need to be very thankful for. She, along with 97% of her colleagues, is fully vaccinated. Unfortunately there are a few who aren't and when I hear their reasons they are often based on the same ideas to be read by a few posting here. It's sad that this small number exists, but there will always be some in any large group who are at odds with the majority. I am also aware that there is a huge effort being made to reassure, educate and explain.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

As I didn't call anyone uneducated, I find that remark a predictably deliberate misrepresentation of my approach. What I said was that encouraging people to accept vaccination involves education. I have a constant thirst for knowledge. None of us knows everything. Some of us just seem to think they do. Even Phds can be educated. Some go on to get a second doctorate. You only stop learning when you think you know it all.

All of my organs are available. None just yet though. On advice, I stopped donating blood after my cancer diagnosis.

It has nothing at all to do with "state advice". It has only to do with the common sense of following public health advice, as defined by the WHO and experts all around the world, when confronted with a crisis. Whatever the excuses, anti-vaccine, personal choice, misinformation etc, none are reasons for anyone not to participate in the national effort.

Of course, we value freedom in the west, but we value life even more. Or most of us do.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

To quote you at 6.52pm, 'People now feel sorry for those who refuse, rather than see them as unwise, uneducated or selfish.'

You are dishonest.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2022 8.16pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)