Not sure I asked for all that.

My main point is that any criticism of what Israel does and the term 'anti-semitic is rolled out.

Happened in the Labour party in order to facilitate the vilification of Corbyn and his supporters and has spread more widely.

Yep, thanks, that was my understanding.

I think the horror of that reality is almost inconceivable to most. Whilst the man on the street may see something resembling a diplomatic solution, the many factors at play seem to indicate no real resolution is ever likely to come to fruition.

Seeing the images of bodies strewn, often very small ones, is what hits the heart however and the casualties of the war, for me only, seem too horrific to even begin empathising with those at the top on either side. Anything that supersedes the deaths of so many innocents is not a just cause IMHO.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I'd like Duckenfold to head a team to be sent out to Gaza.

I find it troubling that although the aid vehicles are having extreme difficulty getting through to where it's needed. In most cases no aid at all is getting through.
And yet Western/USA deliveries of arms to Israel are having no such logistical problems.

I disengage, I turn the page.

What's happening in Gaza is just not going to fly with the western mind. Shapiro and defenders of this can say the west carpet bombed Germany killing hundreds of thousands...they can point to Dresden and I would agree with them.....a war crime is a war crime.....But that's why you avoid war....because war means civilians also die and usually in higher numbers unless the sides are highly disciplined and playing nice...or nicer.

However, what happened in WW2 was highly filtered to people and the day to day barbarism was not on television screens. Today is a different world that just isn't into ancient blood feuds justifying smashed up bodies of children.

The same people who will say that you must not 'look back in anger' will tell you Israel has a right to defend themselves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2024 2.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Real antisemitism is racial and not defined by politics or culture.

I'd go as far to say that the only real antisemitism that you see either comes from real neo nazis....which is a small subsection of those who get called nazis. They think that, as Hitler did, that unless you wipe the Jews out they will wipe you out (at the time via the spread of communism destroying nations)......and the other section are those engaged in the blood feud against Jews, who are mainly Muslims.

However, within that context a Muslim who is opposed to Israel because of Palestine isn't automatically antisemitic as there are Jews themselves who are opposed to their own state....Some of them even while they live in it.

So in truth you have to know the person to be able to honestly say....like most stuff really. But we live in a time of hyperbole and terms are used for political purposes.

Commie.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2024 3.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

SA are really not in a position to declare any country as genocidal.
What has gone on there unreported for reasons unknown is racist and genocidal.
I have a friend from SA who carried a piece to protect himself from car jacking and he had no flash car. The car hackers were always non white. Apparently there is a lot of black to Asian and the reverse violence. Maybe they run out of white folks !