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Coronavirus and the impact of Lockdown policy
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 eaglesdare  23 Jun 23 8.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Would you.be happy to catch a virus with a 1% chance it will kill you? Would you be happy to see 673,000 deaths from Covid? Would you be happy to see our hospitals overwhelmed whilst they save those who nearly die as well.as caring for those who do? The backlogs and excess deaths we are witnessing would be a paradise in comparison. 99% survival would be a complete disaster. Yet you dismiss it as bed wetting and expect to be taken seriously. We all have to die sometime. People die all the time. Most deaths were in the over 80s with underlying health conditions. Should we also make alcohol and smoking illegal? Thats the number one cause of deaths and they also clog up the NHS! It is bed wetting. Overwhelmed? They were all doing ticktock dances! Don't make me laugh. Edited by eaglesdare (23 Jun 2023 8.12pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 8.17pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
h So is claiming lockdown was the best option in every case. Everyone I know who contracted COVID got it during lockdown. Scotland's was longer and pubs, etc, were closed for longer but the stats were worse. Most of the infections occurred during the lockdown simply because the peak of the wave had not been reached before it. The point was to try to flatten it. It was never expected to stop it. It was to hold the line until the vaccines rolled out. Were they best everywhere? Tiny isolated communities probably unnecessary. Anywhere with frequent interchange of people, yes. Trying to make comparisons without understanding all the complex contributory factors is pointless. England and Scotland adopted broadly similar policies, with variations on the timing both of the waves and the introduction of restrictions. This gives an objective look at this:-
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 georgenorman 23 Jun 23 8.21pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Then I hope they learn the lesson and go harder, earlier the next time because of the special factors there that are causing this. What special factors? Kilts? Bagpipes? Pints of Heavy?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
We all have to die sometime. People die all the time. Most deaths were in the over 80s with underlying health conditions. Should we also make alcohol and smoking illegal? Thats the number one cause of deaths and they also clog up the NHS! It is bed wetting. Overwhelmed? They were all doing ticktock dances! Don't make me laugh. Edited by eaglesdare (23 Jun 2023 8.12pm) Of course we will all die! This isn’t about that, it’s about dying when it can be avoided. The biggest cause of death in the UK is heart disease, closely followed by dementia. Lifestyle choices can contribute to both but so far we have tried to encourage healthy lifestyles rather than legislate them. Regarding trying to save people from an earlier death than necessary as “bedwetting” again shows everyone what type of character you are.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
What special factors? Kilts? Bagpipes? Pints of Heavy? Read the link to the FT article.
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Teddy Eagle  23 Jun 23 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Most of the infections occurred during the lockdown simply because the peak of the wave had not been reached before it. The point was to try to flatten it. It was never expected to stop it. It was to hold the line until the vaccines rolled out. Were they best everywhere? Tiny isolated communities probably unnecessary. Anywhere with frequent interchange of people, yes. Trying to make comparisons without understanding all the complex contributory factors is pointless. England and Scotland adopted broadly similar policies, with variations on the timing both of the waves and the introduction of restrictions. This gives an objective look at this:- The first lockdown was an emergency measure in exceptional circumstances but lockdown after the vaccine rollout wasn't justified.
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| eaglesdare 23 Jun 23 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course we will all die! This isn’t about that, it’s about dying when it can be avoided. The biggest cause of death in the UK is heart disease, closely followed by dementia. Lifestyle choices can contribute to both but so far we have tried to encourage healthy lifestyles rather than legislate them. Regarding trying to save people from an earlier death than necessary as “bedwetting” again shows everyone what type of character you are. Yes more bed wetting. We should lockdown everyone who does not have a healthy lifestyle. These people are selfish.....eye roll...
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The first lockdown was an emergency measure in exceptional circumstances but lockdown after the vaccine rollout wasn't justified. Obviously not to those who were making the decisions. The rollout was just what it says on the tin. Not everyone got it immediately and then Omicron arrived and spanner’s got shoved into the best laid plans.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jun 23 10.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Obviously not to those who were making the decisions. The rollout was just what it says on the tin. Not everyone got it immediately and then Omicron arrived and spanner’s got shoved into the best laid plans. Yeah, a virus mutating.....How unexpected... It's not like it happens to every virus. Evolution.....apparently as unexpected as the Spanish inquisition.
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| Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 23 10.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Obviously not to those who were making the decisions. The rollout was just what it says on the tin. Not everyone got it immediately and then Omicron arrived and spanner’s got shoved into the best laid plans. Those making the decisions who took the warnings so seriously that they broke every rule. Neil Ferguson obviously wasn't too concerned was he?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes more bed wetting. We should lockdown everyone who does not have a healthy lifestyle. These people are selfish.....eye roll...
We lockdown everyone so that their capacity to infect is mitigated and the spread curtailed. No one was protected by vaccines during the first lockdown so we were all involved and responsible for each other I dread to think what would have happened if many more people had behaved as you did! Selfish isn’t strong enough. You were irresponsibly selfish. It’s far from over. Direct mortality has decreased but indirect mortality remains high and long-Covid is being recognised as a real concern. You really are living in a fantasy world. We have no choice other than to get on, but don’t fool yourself. Your next bout is out there waiting for the unprepared.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 23 10.16pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Those making the decisions who took the warnings so seriously that they broke every rule. Neil Ferguson obviously wasn't too concerned was he? He, along with many others, provided advice. Politicians took the decisions and we know what Mr Johnson did! Ferguson did what many men do. Let lust overpower their reason.
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