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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Aug 18 5.36pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

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This is true.

I don't care if an athlete shags trees or people but taking the coverage of the Winter Olympics from the BBC we were being told of athletes' sexual prteferences and journeys to being "out " for example before anything on their sporting prowess.

This is very BBC , I strongly feel time for the Beeb to stand on its own not rely on taxpayers to fund their agenda.

Millions wasted on Cliff Richard case.

Totally off original topic but please don"t remove as it's related to media etc

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The sports media bend over backward to promote all things minority and or female. What media have you been looking at?
Wilf got stick because he had a reputation for having a bad attitude in his younger days a he is also perfect pundit material, formally for 'not being the finished article' and now with everyone tyring to sell him to a 'bigger' club.
The media is its own reality. Pundits have to use airtime by talking bollocks and the paper and internet press make up nonsense all day long.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Aug 18 5.45pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

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Sorry, I just noticed you used the term " Aryan " to decribe Harry Kane.

What a stupid thing to say,

YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ARYAN ACTUALLY MEANS BUT ARE USING IT INCORRECTLY TO ESTABLISH SOME TENUOS POLITICAL CONNECTION TO GERMAN NAZIS

As for Mo Salah, I love the fact he doesn't need a hip image , he is just a brilliant footballer

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Matt Le Tissier is a pretty old example. He retired 15 years ago.


I genuinely believe that there is racism in the media, whether conscious or subconsious. In the case of the The Sun, The Daily Mail and the Express it is probably conscious. The Mail ran a campaign highlighting Harry Kane (the most Aryan player in the squad) as the ideal English footballer after a smear campaign against Sterling. Another example is the Mail using Mo Salah as a tool for its anti-Islam campaign (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5787547/Liverpool-star-Mo-Salahs-injury-Gods-punishment-preacher-claims.html)


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taylors lovechild Flag 16 Aug 18 7.34pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Sorry, I just noticed you used the term " Aryan " to decribe Harry Kane.

What a stupid thing to say,

YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ARYAN ACTUALLY MEANS BUT ARE USING IT INCORRECTLY TO ESTABLISH SOME TENUOS POLITICAL CONNECTION TO GERMAN NAZIS

As for Mo Salah, I love the fact he doesn't need a hip image , he is just a brilliant footballer

Edited by HKOwen (16 Aug 2018 5.48pm)

Edited by HKOwen (16 Aug 2018 5.49pm)

If you are going to accuse someone of being an idiot then at least use correct spelling. Also, I used Aryan specifically (and in honesty, hyperbolically) due to the Mail's support of the Nazis in the 1930s (to be fair, they were not the only right-wing paper to support fascism). I simply stated my opinion, so I have no idea why you are getting so upset. The Sun and The Mail have had to issue a number of retractions in the last few years (I'm not going to list them, google can do so if you're bothered) where they have tried to paint a story based on race, so it doesn't seem a seismic leap to think perhaps their editorial position has leaked through to the sports pages.

You don't agree with me, that's fine. I stated my opinion and I'm not going to change it because you used capitals. When the right-wing media stop printing front page headlines as to why foreigners are to blame for everything I might start believing that they are not racist.

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 16 Aug 18 10.32pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

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Originally posted by essetwentyone

In that game Zaha was under instructions to stop Walker from attacking which he did magnificently. Hodgson identified Walker as pivotal but Wilf kept him so busy that he didn’t attack until Wilf switched wings. Far from being a bad game for Wilf it was one of his best for the team !

You on a wind up? Our best attacking player was instructed to stop a defender from attacking? I’ve heard all now!

Walker was the only full back last season to have Wilf in his pocket. Too much pace and power. Walker is the best RB in the world in my opinion (behind AWB of course). Hodgson recognised this and switched wings so he could have a go at the other full back with more success.

 

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chateauferret Flag 16 Aug 18 10.54pm

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Originally posted by Goal Machine

You on a wind up? Our best attacking player was instructed to stop a defender from attacking? I’ve heard all now!

Walker was the only full back last season to have Wilf in his pocket. Too much pace and power. Walker is the best RB in the world in my opinion (behind AWB of course). Hodgson recognised this and switched wings so he could have a go at the other full back with more success.

You have to remember that Walker was given carte blanche by the ref to kick, throw and shove Wilf around wherever he liked, as was the case when he used to play for Spurs.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 17 Aug 18 12.38am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

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I apologise for calling you stupid, I have checked and Harry Kane is indeed on of the ancient peoples of the Iran/Indian cradle of civilisation.

To be honest I used upper case as the keyboards on my laptop was locked and I couldn't be bothered to change it as I tyoed but in hindsight probably a " good miss "


Originally posted by taylors lovechild

If you are going to accuse someone of being an idiot then at least use correct spelling. Also, I used Aryan specifically (and in honesty, hyperbolically) due to the Mail's support of the Nazis in the 1930s (to be fair, they were not the only right-wing paper to support fascism). I simply stated my opinion, so I have no idea why you are getting so upset. The Sun and The Mail have had to issue a number of retractions in the last few years (I'm not going to list them, google can do so if you're bothered) where they have tried to paint a story based on race, so it doesn't seem a seismic leap to think perhaps their editorial position has leaked through to the sports pages.

You don't agree with me, that's fine. I stated my opinion and I'm not going to change it because you used capitals. When the right-wing media stop printing front page headlines as to why foreigners are to blame for everything I might start believing that they are not racist.

 


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essetwentyone Flag london 17 Aug 18 7.48am Send a Private Message to essetwentyone Add essetwentyone as a friend

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Originally posted by Casual

Ok. Can you let me know what instructions he has been getting from Hodgeson this week in training , if our £135,000 a week forward and most likely game changer will be used to stop the threat of James Milner on Monday , I might give it a miss.
Regards.

Different game so different tactics plus we are in a much better shape than last winter.
Don’t get me wrong I love seeing Wilf attack and the scousers haven’t got a defender with Walkers pace. I’m really looking forward to the game.
Regards

 

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Originally posted by Goal Machine

You on a wind up? Our best attacking player was instructed to stop a defender from attacking? I’ve heard all now!

Walker was the only full back last season to have Wilf in his pocket. Too much pace and power. Walker is the best RB in the world in my opinion (behind AWB of course). Hodgson recognised this and switched wings so he could have a go at the other full back with more success.

No wind up. Read up the post match quotes from Hodgson.
Walker was too strong for Wilf that night but he had to spend all his time on doing that and therefore couldn’t attack as he normally did.
Why do you think Hodgson waited till the last few minutes of the game before letting Wilf switch wings? Think about it. Roy isn’t so stupid to take 89 minutes to make that switch!

It wasn’t the first time a top player was used to stop another top opponent - go back to Bobby Charlton and Beckenbaur in the 66 World Cup final and there are a load more examples.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 17 Aug 18 12.00pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

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Originally posted by HKOwen

I apologise for calling you stupid, I have checked and Harry Kane is indeed on of the ancient peoples of the Iran/Indian cradle of civilisation.

I don't think I was rude in my response, but again you persist. As I stated, I was using Aryan in a provocative way due to The Mail's links to fascism in the 1930s. The term Aryan was misappropriated due to links made between Sanskrit and the Germanic language. The Germanic languages include English. Now, I am not a historian, but I think you'll find (I am happy to be corrected) Aryan was misappropriated by white northern Europeans who saw themselves as a master race. Yes, Wikipedia does give you a history lesson on the origins of the word Aryan, but as I stated earlier I was using it in a different context.


We all support Palace (I presume?!) and occasionally we will all have different opinions. Again, I'm not sure why I have upset you so much, but please stop trying to infer I'm an idiot because of semantics. Most of us get things wrong from time to time, but in this instance I am pretty sure I haven't.


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I keep hearing from multi sources that real reason palace didnt want to sell unless it was a very large offer is because part of him returning from united they put in 50% sell on clause.

i have asked few people in the game and they said this is true also media appears to run with this story many years ago.

does anyone know if it is true I asked Parish years ago he refused to even comment.

 


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chateauferret Flag 18 Aug 18 2.42pm

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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I don't think I was rude in my response, but again you persist. As I stated, I was using Aryan in a provocative way due to The Mail's links to fascism in the 1930s. The term Aryan was misappropriated due to links made between Sanskrit and the Germanic language. The Germanic languages include English. Now, I am not a historian, but I think you'll find (I am happy to be corrected) Aryan was misappropriated by white northern Europeans who saw themselves as a master race. Yes, Wikipedia does give you a history lesson on the origins of the word Aryan, but as I stated earlier I was using it in a different context.


We all support Palace (I presume?!) and occasionally we will all have different opinions. Again, I'm not sure why I have upset you so much, but please stop trying to infer I'm an idiot because of semantics. Most of us get things wrong from time to time, but in this instance I am pretty sure I haven't.


Edited by taylors lovechild (17 Aug 2018 12.00pm)

Correct. Originally describing peoples as "Aryan" was not a statement about race at all but about geography, culture, religion and linguistic heritage. The Nazi-advocated idea that the Germans were part of an "Aryan" race system was therefore bollocks, and even if it were appropriate to use the term to describe race it would have included a whole lot of other races that Hitler would hardly have regarded as "pure".

The Germanic languages are descended from proto-Indo-Europen but not from Sanskrit. Their latest common ancestor was Proto-Indo-European. Sanskrit was in the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European descendancy, Germanic in one of the European branches. The two subtrees are distiguished by the correspondence of s in the former to c (hard "k" sound) in the languages further west, and the c moved to h in the first Germanic sound shift, as exemplified by the following words for "hundred":

Sanskrit satem
Latin centum
German Hundert


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Originally posted by grumpymort

I keep hearing from multi sources that real reason palace didnt want to sell unless it was a very large offer is because part of him returning from united they put in 50% sell on clause.

i have asked few people in the game and they said this is true also media appears to run with this story many years ago.

does anyone know if it is true I asked Parish years ago he refused to even comment.

i thought the sell on clauss was 20% would be very suprised if it was 50%

 


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