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 DanH  SW2 07 Aug 18 7.38am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The only person looking silly here is you Wisbech. The 5 percent you refer to was from the 2011 census. Ten years previous to that it was half that size. The Islamic population is doubling every ten years. Come 2021 it's likely to be double again somewhere around 10 percent. When we get to 2031 things may be under threat in terms of secularism in this country. The government has already done the projections of what lies ahead for England and it's a disaster for the English. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 6.26am) Cheers for this Lovely Maths. Great start to the day.
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| dannyboy1978 07 Aug 18 8.48am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The only person looking silly here is you Wisbech. The 5 percent you refer to was from the 2011 census. Ten years previous to that it was half that size. The Islamic population is doubling every ten years. Come 2021 it's likely to be double again somewhere around 10 percent. When we get to 2031 things may be under threat in terms of secularism in this country. The government has already done the projections of what lies ahead for England and it's a disaster for the English. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 6.26am) That's when the silent majority of that community will have more power to change things. I think people are very short sited when they say extremists are 99.9 of the community, for me they are not the only problem!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Aug 18 9.39am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
That's when the silent majority of that community will have more power to change things. I think people are very short sited when they say extremists are 99.9 of the community, for me they are not the only problem! I don't believe that our courts should make law as they have done in the first link. Only the other day the courts rejected a bid for a woman to divorce against the wishes of her husband. The court sympathised but pointed out that this was a matter for parliament and I agree. Parliament makes laws after taking the pulse of the nation, we don't always agree but individuals and groups have the opportunity to lobby for their view. When a court makes a decision there is no input apart from the lawyers trying the case. I don't want Sharia law or the Jewish equivalent or anything else. We are all equal under the law or so I was taught. If there are aspects of Sharia law that make sense and could apply to all of us then incorporate them into law through parliament.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 18 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The only person looking silly here is you Wisbech. The 5 percent you refer to was from the 2011 census. Ten years previous to that it was half that size. The Islamic population is doubling every ten years. Come 2021 it's likely to be double again somewhere around 10 percent. When we get to 2031 things may be under threat in terms of secularism in this country. The government has already done the projections of what lies ahead for England and it's a disaster for the English. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 6.26am) It's those extrapolations that are silly. Even if the projections of the % of our future population proves to be correct, and they seem completely illogical to me as they depend upon temporary trends continuing without any interventions, the result won't be a "disaster for the English". Why? Because by then a very proportion of that % will have become thoroughly anglicised. It has happened before with every previous immigration wave. It's already happening with this one, albeit somewhat slower. The evidence is all there. The youngsters are already rejecting their traditional values as the attractions of UK ones become accessible. Of course we must do more. I detest the involvement of all religion in public life. I want it to become an entirely private matter and ALL schools to have no religious element in their teaching except as a general subject covering it's cultural position around the world. I want British values taught as we are now an agnostic nation at best. So every child gets taught how to be British and to use their own mind to challenge any anti social attitudes proposed by others in their social circle. Making friends from outside a closed group will bear fruit. So I think the attitudes that you, and others here, are demonstrating are simply crying wolf. They aren't real. I don't think that the projections are realistic and by the time we will know if they were the whole demographic make up will look entirely different anyway. Especially if we take the steps I am recommending.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Aug 18 10.01am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
That's when the silent majority of that community will have more power to change things. I think people are very short sited when they say extremists are 99.9 of the community, for me they are not the only problem! As the demographic increases so the country will change. The supplicants on the left and right are ruining the country and via cowardice leaving a terrible legacy for the next generations. (we know there are some on the left who are with us to varying degrees).
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 18 10.08am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
1. Pot/Kettle springs to mind. You make a mockery of the adage that 'with age comes wisdom'. Edited by .TUX. (06 Aug 2018 10.07pm) Read my response to "Stirlingsays". I can't be bothered to write it all again. Changing what people choose to eat is a sure sign of changing habits. They will also be watching British TV, laughing at British humour and supporting British football teams. Gradually, without intention or even realising it, they become assimilated. It's the inevitable consequence of evolution at work. People adapt to their environment.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Aug 18 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Read my response to "Stirlingsays". I can't be bothered to write it all again. Changing what people choose to eat is a sure sign of changing habits. They will also be watching British TV, laughing at British humour and supporting British football teams. Gradually, without intention or even realising it, they become assimilated. It's the inevitable consequence of evolution at work. People adapt to their environment. God, you are so deluded about this. You have no idea about socially conservative religions. What annoys me is that you will be long dead before the folly of your views can be shoved into your face to the extent where you can't deny it.....Still, I've no doubt you'd find some way of blaming the environment instead. But if you are on this site 2021 I can at least prove you wrong with the census data on population growth. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 10.17am)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Aug 18 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Read my response to "Stirlingsays". I can't be bothered to write it all again. Changing what people choose to eat is a sure sign of changing habits. They will also be watching British TV, laughing at British humour and supporting British football teams. Gradually, without intention or even realising it, they become assimilated. It's the inevitable consequence of evolution at work. People adapt to their environment. You are right that many do, but many towns do not. Social cohesion is an important issue for all of us as a nation. For the hundredth time, look up the government's Casey report as evidence for big divisions in communities and not how you blindly think reality is or should be.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 18 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
God, you are so deluded about this. You have no idea about socially conservative religions. What annoys me is that you will be long dead before the folly of your views can be shoved into your face to the extent where you can't deny it.....Still, I've no doubt you'd find some way of blaming the environment instead. But if you are on this site 2021 I can at least prove you wrong with the census data on population growth. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2018 10.17am) Having read your threads on "Robinson" and on the idiot Trump I find it rather amusing that you think I am deluded. At least you can comfort yourself that you aren't alone because such views can also be found in the various US based Trump supporting groups that I populate. They are though rather less common in the UK where the people, as a whole, are more open minded and tolerant. I have lived in a Muslim country. Have you? I suspect I have rather more direct experience of "socially conservative religions" than you do. They aren't all still in the stone age. Most folk want exactly what all decent people want. Food, security and a safe place to bring up their family. To categorise a whole religion is beyond stupid. It's downright dangerous. Census data tells you very little of value about this. According to many of our recent censuses the UK population is dominated by the Christian religion, but most of those so responding do so because that's what they were at birth. Most now are at best non practising and many openly atheist. Exactly the same will happen, slowly perhaps, to the new immigrants. The second generation will feel the pressure from the parents but apply much less to the third. And so it will go, until the issue disappears. We need to assist with that trend and not isolate the Muslim community thus forcing them to bond together. For sure we need to make positive interventions, especially in totally banning religious schooling. 2021 is going to be much too early to make any genuine assessments. This trend will take much longer to work through.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Aug 18 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We need to assist with that trend and not isolate the Muslim community thus forcing them to bond together. How do we do that? And isn't it a two-way street?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 18 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You are right that many do, but many towns do not. Social cohesion is an important issue for all of us as a nation. For the hundredth time, look up the government's Casey report as evidence for big divisions in communities and not how you blindly think reality is or should be. I have not yet read the full report but I will. So far I have skimmed and dipped into it. It seems to identify many of the current problems, which are acknowledged and also to suggest ways of dealing with them. It also heavily criticises the attitudes which are held by the likes of "Robinson" and seem prevalent in this thread. I don't deny reality in any way. I fully accept that there is a body of opinion which is fearful of Islamic immigration. What I challenge is their perceptions of the future, which I believe are unreal. No report can predict the future. All it can do is make recommendations on how best to achieve outcomes which are broadly acceptable to the majority. That will never satisfy those on the extremes, some of whom seem to post here.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Aug 18 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have not yet read the full report but I will. So far I have skimmed and dipped into it. It seems to identify many of the current problems, which are acknowledged and also to suggest ways of dealing with them. It also heavily criticises the attitudes which are held by the likes of "Robinson" and seem prevalent in this thread. I don't deny reality in any way. I fully accept that there is a body of opinion which is fearful of Islamic immigration. What I challenge is their perceptions of the future, which I believe are unreal. No report can predict the future. All it can do is make recommendations on how best to achieve outcomes which are broadly acceptable to the majority. That will never satisfy those on the extremes, some of whom seem to post here. OK, let me know what you think of the report when you've read it fully. Why do you associate people wanting to improve social cohesion and eradicate certain barbaric principles as 'extreme' (or far right I assume) all of the time? Who are the 'extreme' posters on this thread and what have they said?
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