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Stirlingsays Flag 04 May 17 1.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Doris Stokes was till she passed.

Didn't she admit at the end that she'd 'lied to so many people'.

Pissed me off...I'd brought a few of her books as a young man....Silly bugger.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2017 1.50am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 May 17 1.55am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just in case you missed it this morning...

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Why do you believe in this fantasy that a socialist run economy could keep wealthy people here to tax? It would be like France, lot of them would bugger off. Investment would tickle down and unemployment go up.

It's dreamland....and the only real people who would be hurt would be the poorest.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2017 1.56am)

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 04 May 17 8.20am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Local elections today, which will provide a barometer for the General Election:

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According to Diane Abbott, Labour will get 88% of the vote, the Tories 55% and the Lib Dems 28%.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 May 17 10.32am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Local elections today, which will provide a barometer for the General Election:

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According to Diane Abbott, Labour will get 88% of the vote, the Tories 55% and the Lib Dems 28%.

She's not great at arithmetic is she.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 11.21am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Local elections today, which will provide a barometer for the General Election:

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According to Diane Abbott, Labour will get 88% of the vote, the Tories 55% and the Lib Dems 28%.

Hahahhahahhahaa

Only with the usual postal ballot frauds....

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 11.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Why do you believe in this fantasy that a socialist run economy could keep wealthy people here to tax? It would be like France, lot of them would bugger off. Investment would tickle down and unemployment go up.

It's dreamland....and the only real people who would be hurt would be the poorest.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2017 1.56am)

I think that if you want to have capitalism and socialism in the same system is going to have to compromise - and you need to keep wealth, if not wealthy people, in the UK but also get them paying tax rather than avoiding it.

In reality, that probably means compromising. Either by slowly reducing the availability of avoidance methods, public service inclusion.

With companies rather than just cutting corporation tax, we should link it to incentives related cuts (such as a 5% reduction if no employees earn less than 25% above minimum wage) - But such a reduction would have to benefit corporations (i.e. they have to see a genuine reduction in corporation tax that makes it worthwhile engaging in such social programs).

Rather than just targeting people with wealth with prohibitive taxes, there is a need really to target including those with wealth into realisation of the benefit of contribution, rather than seeing themselves as being penalised for being wealthy.

We need to review the idea of taxation itself fully and how we generate it and how its spent - and everyone can benefit from it - And it not become a system that is only for the least, but contributes to everyone.


 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 04 May 17 12.54pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Originally posted by JRW2

A pal of mine who worked in the NHS for about twenty years once told me that it was literally impossible to be sacked for incompetence or failure to perform duties.

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Ummm...I know from my work that is simply not correct...

Edited by legaleagle (03 May 2017 11.37pm)

I obviously respect your professional knowledge, but I can't believe that what my friend told me was totally groundless.

Here's a relevant real life story: A couple of years ago I was sent for a CT scan. Some weeks later my GP called to ask me to chase up the results. The hospital told me not only that they had no record of my having a scan, but that they had no record of my ever having attended the hospital - which I have been using throughout my 70+ years. My GP sent me for another scan, and the receptionist happened to remark that he remembered me from my previous visit.

How much did this unnecessary scan cost? Hundreds of pounds if accounted for properly.

Was a single reprimand made? I strongly doubt it.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 May 17 1.12pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think that if you want to have capitalism and socialism in the same system is going to have to compromise - and you need to keep wealth, if not wealthy people, in the UK but also get them paying tax rather than avoiding it.

In reality, that probably means compromising. Either by slowly reducing the availability of avoidance methods, public service inclusion.

With companies rather than just cutting corporation tax, we should link it to incentives related cuts (such as a 5% reduction if no employees earn less than 25% above minimum wage) - But such a reduction would have to benefit corporations (i.e. they have to see a genuine reduction in corporation tax that makes it worthwhile engaging in such social programs).

Rather than just targeting people with wealth with prohibitive taxes, there is a need really to target including those with wealth into realisation of the benefit of contribution, rather than seeing themselves as being penalised for being wealthy.

We need to review the idea of taxation itself fully and how we generate it and how its spent - and everyone can benefit from it - And it not become a system that is only for the least, but contributes to everyone.

Giving taxes to a government is like giving whisky to an alcoholic.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 04 May 17 1.16pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

I obviously respect your professional knowledge, but I can't believe that what my friend told me was totally groundless.

Here's a relevant real life story: A couple of years ago I was sent for a CT scan. Some weeks later my GP called to ask me to chase up the results. The hospital told me not only that they had no record of my having a scan, but that they had no record of my ever having attended the hospital - which I have been using throughout my 70+ years. My GP sent me for another scan, and the receptionist happened to remark that he remembered me from my previous visit.

How much did this unnecessary scan cost? Hundreds of pounds if accounted for properly.

Was a single reprimand made? I strongly doubt it.

Probably more of an indication of underfunding and overworked staff across the NHS rather than a jobs for life culture or carelessness.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 04 May 17 2.50pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Probably more of an indication of underfunding and overworked staff across the NHS rather than a jobs for life culture or carelessness.

Of course. Everyone who works for the NHS is a saint with an impeccable work ethic.

It is precisely this mentality that is contributing to the NHS being a pile of s***e in a number of areas.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 May 17 2.54pm

I know two women, both in their 60s, who work in administrative areas of the NHS. They both admit to doing very little work at all - perhaps an hour's work spread over the day.

 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 04 May 17 3.10pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Probably more of an indication of underfunding and overworked staff across the NHS rather than a jobs for life culture or carelessness.


I can hardly believe you wrote that with a straight face. Your words immediately brought to mind John McEnroe's infamous words to an umpire.

A hospital loses someone's test results and their entire records, and you say that it was probably not down to carelessness but to not enough money being put into the system - and an overworked staff. I can tell you that the reception/admin desk on this occasion was staffed by three people, all with a screen in front of them and two of them doing nothing. What's more, the one who recalled my wasted visit advised that it was always a good idea to try and take the results oneself, to ensure they weren't lost!

I presume you will interpret my experience differently from me, to which I will just say that "there's none so blind as those who will not see".

By the way, I'm not necessarily saying that the NHS doesn't need more money - just that it should do far, far better with what it already has; and that at a clerical/administrative level its standards are woeful.

 

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