Yes, we should be in permanent lockdown. Abolish all jobs that cannot be carried out at home. Close all pubs forever. Close all sporting venues to the public. Turn all school buildings in Nightingale Hospitals and give everyones' money to the NHS. Ban all travel (apart from cycling of course.) People refusing injections of substances into their bodies should be tied down and injected.

Edited by georgenorman (25 Jan 2022 8.06pm)

He was being sarcastic?

I wonder how many anti-vaxxers would be in such a state of panic about the idea of taking a daily aspirin or the pill? [Link]

According to the data...if I'm remembering the video correctly, the opinion that having both increases protection over vaccination or natural immunity itself doesn't seem to be supported.

That they would have been higher has never been contested, not by me at least....though what those death figures would have been is very contested. You saying 'much, much higher' sounds like you're putting yourself in the Professor Ferguson camp, which I certainly am not.

However, it should also be noted that this virus had/has an average death average over eighty....where that vast majority of those dying also had other complications and where the recovery rate was always in the nineties even when we didn't have a vaccine. At what point has there been an over emphasis upon stopping society and causing probable generational economic damage over an illness where the death risk is focused upon the vulnerable....and where most of them will recover.

At the very least people should have always have had their personal health decisions respected and the encouragement of demonisation and ostracization is quite wrong...the commentary of the guy you consider a 'good bloke' being an example in point.

The level of hysteria promoted by the state has convinced a huge number of people into thinking death is at their door when in reality it wasn't for the vast number of them.

Is it ethical to mislead people? People were forced off the streets, liberties taken away, fined....Their personal freedoms cancelled.

He only calls it dangerous for those without prior infection. It should be remembered that we had this virus for over a year before the first vaccines came out. If you had the virus before the vaccines you don't fall into that 'dangerous' description....Yet people were hammered for it and called every name under the sun.

For those who weren't infected in that first year or so yet still decided not to have vaccines, that comes under personal choice in my view. We aren't in a communist state where no one gets personal choice...though sometimes it certainly feels that way.

We are in agreement.

I think you regard the behaviour of the state during this period as fair enough where I regarded it as fear mongering and demonisation. On this we appear to differ....I also have scepticism over corporate behaviour during this time, though you have been relatively quiet over that.

However, while we might have made different personal choices there isn't that much we disagree on....more the extent of scepticism and what we choose to emphasize.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jan 2022 8.57am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The idea that people should get vaccinated for covid because of future viruses makes no sense.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I had to stop taking aspirin due to stomach problems....I'd been taking it for a few years.

Also in the article he writes, 'severe side effects are exceedingly rare', but where are the figures on that? I'm not saying that this might not be true but he just states it without backing it. Personally I haven't seen any independent figures....indeed, how does this guy know this?

Also, the use of the term 'anti-vaxxer' is a bit of an issue as your mate thinks it includes those who aren't anti vaccines but just pro choice. He thinks it's fine that it's an all inclusive term.

Utterly bizarre in my view.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jan 2022 8.50am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)