An interesting article.

I don't think the future is going to be very kind to the lockdown enthusiasts.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2022 11.43am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I heard the other day that a freedom of information request showed that, in its two years, less than 18000 had died of Covid alone....which are flu level numbers.

In two years, when you look at the national death average since the pandemic began 128000 people have died over the average.

While I suspect that a large percentage of them were from Covid (with other contributory factors) I also suspect that the increase over the average was from other causes related to diverting medical priorities and the effects of lockdown itself.

While I always agreed that the aged and vulnerable were safeguarded as best we could I've never changed my opinion that this whole episode has been an incredible economic over-reaction....we spent more than WW2 on this....that spending isn't going to just go away and we are already feeling the effects.

The state should not be engaged in bahaviour manipulation via selective information and fear nor should it be engaged in the omission and censoring of alternative opinions.....and there is never a defense for coercion in free societies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2022 1.25pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

This I agree with, and all the lockdowns and restrictions were too long. Also, see how this Autumn 2021 we didn’t have the problems of infection Europe had because we opened up earlier in spring/summer 2021.

The problem with shielding the elderly and vulnerable is that there’s so many, or so many households with at least one in, who’ll therefore never be able to go out for the most part of 24 months. This isn’t helped by however many who’ve never given a sh1te about their own health. Remember my obesity idea if you made no effort to lose weight? Probably not what a responsible society should do, but here we are. You can’t get everyone healthy instantly because of covid as some would like and shout opposing any restrictions, but also many haven’t done anything to get healthier since March 2020 either. What ever changes on this in the west now? So many sloths.

Predictably many tv and radio presenters are claiming the government should face criticism for raising fear levels, yet this is what they were doing by either following the government’s memo or going after viewers/listeners and advertising. Hopefully these hypocrites will be exposed to enough people. Fat chance of that.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Jan 2022 5.13pm)

COYP

If you think the money that was spent against Covid was justified I'm certainly not going to convince you otherwise.

I would certainly say that lockdowns as a policy....though there's an argument for the first one.....were bad policy for several different reasons but it's beating a dead horse....as kind of like you say it's in the past....an argument that was lost in that initial week when Johnson...and most of Europe radically changed tack.

But we are going to live with the economic consequences....and they are coming, energy and food prices are going to rocket.....If our western leaders decide on a pointless war with Russia over Ukraine those energy bills will be even worse sooner.

Am I annoyed that people went along with the media and government to the extent they did....nodded along to the propaganda believing all of it? Yeah, but like a lot about the modern world....I'm long since resigned to it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jan 2022 8.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Just read your link - very interesting!
I note that a certain Robert West - somewhat of a leftie and Boris hater to say the least who is on Sage - tweeted in December 2021 about Omicron- ‘It is now a near certainty that the UK will be seeing a hospitalisation rate that massively exceeds the capacity of the NHS. Many thousands of people have been condemned to death by the Conservative government.’
How on earth can anyone who is a part of a Government advisory service be allowed to get away with that?
He and Sage were wrong of course with their model - wildly inaccurate as it happens - but that kind of stuff should be banned.
Scum!

Edited by The Dolphin (25 Jan 2022 6.06am)

Edited by The Dolphin (25 Jan 2022 6.07am)

I urge everyone, and especially the reluctant vaxxers, to watch this video report by Clive Myrie. It puts a lot of things into perspective and destroys a few myths:-

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Co-incidentally I was able to watch a presentation yesterday given by the RCN lead on countering anti-vaccination misinformation. Much of what was said chimed with many of the points I have already made, and are reflected in the above video.

However, one thing was new to me. According to the WHO the biggest potential contributor to better health, and less early mortality, around the world, is the provision of safe drinking water.

The second is to ensure that those who can be vaccinated, are vaccinated. Not to protect them as individuals but mainly to establish herd immunity in which the viruses can no longer do damage.

Which is why those who refuse are not just exercising a personal choice. They are failing the rest of us through their selfishness.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.