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Mapletree Croydon 19 Jan 22 11.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In my view that's never been possible long term....and the latest variant makes a mockery of all attempts to try otherwise. We are seeing herd immunity in action despite all the pointless attempts to stop it.....Even the government are recognising it now. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2022 11.41pm) There were no attempts to stop it. I just don’t think you’ve been concentrating The rhetoric only ever was to slow the transmission of the virus to allow for the development of better ways of coping and to prevent a sudden massive spike in hospital admissions. Remember ‘flattening the curve’?
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Croydon 19 Jan 22 11.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In my view that's never been possible long term....and the latest variant makes a mockery of all attempts to try otherwise.

We are seeing herd immunity in action despite all the pointless attempts to stop it.....Even the government are recognising it now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jan 2022 11.41pm)

There were no attempts to stop it. I just don’t think you’ve been concentrating

The rhetoric only ever was to slow the transmission of the virus to allow for the development of better ways of coping and to prevent a sudden massive spike in hospital admissions. Remember ‘flattening the curve’?

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Teddy Eagle 19 Jan 22 11.46pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, going mea culpa on your shoulder resulting from your extreme nocturnal habits I see. Darts?
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19 Jan 22 11.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, going mea culpa on your shoulder resulting from your extreme nocturnal habits I see.

Darts?

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Stirlingsays 19 Jan 22 11.49pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, going mea culpa on your shoulder resulting from your extreme nocturnal habits I see. You're fascinated by my shoulder. I won't bore you on how the injury came about, but it was quite serious. Anyway nurses changed the coverings today....there's a big hole in my arm...and it's rather weird to have a big hole in your arm...couldn't stop staring at it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Jan 22 11.49pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, going mea culpa on your shoulder resulting from your extreme nocturnal habits I see.

You're fascinated by my shoulder.

I won't bore you on how the injury came about, but it was quite serious.

Anyway nurses changed the coverings today....there's a big hole in my arm...and it's rather weird to have a big hole in your arm...couldn't stop staring at it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 19 Jan 22 11.54pm
Originally posted by Mapletree There were no attempts to stop it. I just don’t think you’ve been concentrating The rhetoric only ever was to slow the transmission of the virus to allow for the development of better ways of coping and to prevent a sudden massive spike in hospital admissions. Remember ‘flattening the curve’? I'd say that's so reductionist as to be half truths. For example, we are still under certain restrictions.....you yourself were boosting about the ability to fire people....something that's increasingly pointless. But do we really want to repeat these worn out arguments. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Jan 22 11.54pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

There were no attempts to stop it. I just don’t think you’ve been concentrating

I'd say that's so reductionist as to be half truths.

For example, we are still under certain restrictions.....you yourself were boosting about the ability to fire people....something that's increasingly pointless.

But do we really want to repeat these worn out arguments.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Jan 22 11.55pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You're fascinated by my shoulder. I won't bore you on how the injury came about, but it was quite serious. Anyway nurses changed the coverings today....there's a big hole in my arm...and it's rather weird to have a big hole in your arm...couldn't stop staring at it. I had one once from a speedboat accident in Brighton and it is strange to see your own ulna. Still, gives you somewhere to keep your loose change.
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Mapletree

Croydon 19 Jan 22 11.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You're fascinated by my shoulder.

I won't bore you on how the injury came about, but it was quite serious.

Anyway nurses changed the coverings today....there's a big hole in my arm...and it's rather weird to have a big hole in your arm...couldn't stop staring at it.

I had one once from a speedboat accident in Brighton and it is strange to see your own ulna.

Still, gives you somewhere to keep your loose change.

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Stirlingsays 19 Jan 22 11.59pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Darts? Na....but I certainly feel like a one armed bandit at the moment. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Jan 22 11.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Darts?

Na....but I certainly feel like a one armed bandit at the moment.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 20 Jan 22 12.02am
Originally posted by Mapletree I had one once from a speedboat accident in Brighton and it is strange to see your own ulna. Still, gives you somewhere to keep your loose change. You have certainly been in the wars. Yep, I definitely don't recommend big holes in limbs. It's feeling better each day though....no painkillers today. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Jan 22 12.02am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I had one once from a speedboat accident in Brighton and it is strange to see your own ulna.

Still, gives you somewhere to keep your loose change.

You have certainly been in the wars.

Yep, I definitely don't recommend big holes in limbs.

It's feeling better each day though....no painkillers today.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Jan 22 12.05am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'd say that's so reductionist as to be half truths. For example, we are still under certain restrictions.....you yourself were boosting about the ability to fire people....something that's increasingly pointless. But do we really want to repeat these worn out arguments. You can say what you want. The government was always clear the intention was to flatten the curve I neither boosted nor boasted I simply described. If you had watched a wave of deaths hit a care home you would not be so cavalier about taking all steps to prevent infections amongst the most vulnerable.
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Croydon 20 Jan 22 12.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd say that's so reductionist as to be half truths.

For example, we are still under certain restrictions.....you yourself were boosting about the ability to fire people....something that's increasingly pointless.

But do we really want to repeat these worn out arguments.

You can say what you want.

The government was always clear the intention was to flatten the curve

I neither boosted nor boasted I simply described.

If you had watched a wave of deaths hit a care home you would not be so cavalier about taking all steps to prevent infections amongst the most vulnerable.

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Stirlingsays 20 Jan 22 12.22am
Originally posted by Mapletree You can say what you want. The government was always clear the intention was to flatten the curve I neither boosted nor boasted I simply described. If you had watched a wave of deaths hit a care home you would not be so cavalier about taking all steps to prevent infections amongst the most vulnerable. While I have always disagreed over the extent of the covid response, being someone who supported the long standing original approach, this was always a disaster for us, regardless. I do empathise with you in your role, which is not an easy one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Jan 22 12.22am

Originally posted by Mapletree

You can say what you want.

The government was always clear the intention was to flatten the curve

I neither boosted nor boasted I simply described.

If you had watched a wave of deaths hit a care home you would not be so cavalier about taking all steps to prevent infections amongst the most vulnerable.

While I have always disagreed over the extent of the covid response, being someone who supported the long standing original approach, this was always a disaster for us, regardless.

I do empathise with you in your role, which is not an easy one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Jan 22 8.30am
What’s the death rate from omicron in care homes? While I could understand the desire to have all staff vaccinated before, I struggle to see the need or point with omicron. It could end up counter productive. Trying to stop residents getting effectively a cold but not having the numbers to provide decent care and resources. Many were sent home from hospital to kill, I mean save them all in 2020, so I wouldn’t be surprised. COYP
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Caterham 20 Jan 22 8.30am

What’s the death rate from omicron in care homes? While I could understand the desire to have all staff vaccinated before, I struggle to see the need or point with omicron. It could end up counter productive. Trying to stop residents getting effectively a cold but not having the numbers to provide decent care and resources. Many were sent home from hospital to kill, I mean save them all in 2020, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

COYP

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jan 22 8.43am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman What’s the death rate from omicron in care homes? While I could understand the desire to have all staff vaccinated before, I struggle to see the need or point with omicron. It could end up counter productive. Trying to stop residents getting effectively a cold but not having the numbers to provide decent care and resources. Many were sent home from hospital to kill, I mean save them all in 2020, so I wouldn’t be surprised. As far as I can see you're correct. Boosted people get Omicron as much as anyone else. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jan 22 8.43am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

As far as I can see you're correct. Boosted people get Omicron as much as anyone else.

Red and Blue Army!

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Jan 22 9.16am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman What’s the death rate from omicron in care homes? While I could understand the desire to have all staff vaccinated before, I struggle to see the need or point with omicron. It could end up counter productive. Trying to stop residents getting effectively a cold but not having the numbers to provide decent care and resources. Many were sent home from hospital to kill, I mean save them all in 2020, so I wouldn’t be surprised. You couldn’t be more wrong. This is no cold. Researchers working with the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) believe it has "substantial" resistance to natural immunity provided by previous infections. Early research shows it reduces two doses of Pfizer to 30 percent effectiveness, with AstraZeneca potentially down to zero. While the booster can reforge it back to 75 percent, the programme is still some distance from covering everyone, meaning many are at Omicron's mercy. Preliminary studies published in the UK and South Africa have found between 30 percent and 70 percent fewer people require hospital treatment. We don’t yet know to what extent as it is so early, but we do know this variant is a killer. I know some who have been very ill with it. Note also that Delta is still rife, currently we have a dual epidemic Edited by Mapletree (20 Jan 2022 12.31pm)
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Croydon 20 Jan 22 9.16am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You couldn’t be more wrong. This is no cold.

Researchers working with the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) believe it has "substantial" resistance to natural immunity provided by previous infections.

Early research shows it reduces two doses of Pfizer to 30 percent effectiveness, with AstraZeneca potentially down to zero.

While the booster can reforge it back to 75 percent, the programme is still some distance from covering everyone, meaning many are at Omicron's mercy.

Preliminary studies published in the UK and South Africa have found between 30 percent and 70 percent fewer people require hospital treatment.

We don’t yet know to what extent as it is so early, but we do know this variant is a killer.

I know some who have been very ill with it.

Note also that Delta is still rife, currently we have a dual epidemic

Edited by Mapletree (20 Jan 2022 12.31pm)

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