The trouble in Paris will look like a jolly boys' outing if Brexit is frustrated.

If you mean that I should have known that politicians were going to screw us, yes I have always suspected that would happen.

Don't be too happy about that. It will be a dark day for this country if Parliament cancels Brexit. The darkest day.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Dec 2018 11.02pm)

Precisely, we're being totally mugged off by our government but apparently it's all the fault of Muslims and immigration. The right wing clicktivists will never realise they're being played

Edited by Pussay Patrol (05 Dec 2018 7.56am)

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Edited by Pussay Patrol (05 Dec 2018 7.56am)

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Yesterday was a black day for the Brexit camp. A motion sponsored by Dominic Grieve was passed by the house which effectively means that a No Deal Brexit is ruled out. It also makes it more likely that a 2nd referendum will be called for.

Just heard Dominc Grieve on the radio the way he was talking the question will be something like do you agree with Theresa's May's deal? Yes you support the deal No we stay in the EU.

This is what the establishment has wanted all along a "Hobson's Choice"*. I cannot vote for May's awful deal and yet I cannot vote to remain either. Many Brexiteers will feel that way so the Remainers will win.

If and its a big if this does happen I predict politics is going to get nasty and violent. I hope that Parliament does not go down this road. If May will not or cannot get a better deal we must just leave without one, anything less is a betrayal of the people.

*No real choice.

One more point

Whilst I did promise myself not to post on this thread again, I'd like to make two points.

First, I am utterly disgusted. Parliament might well hold the government in contempt, but that contempt is a mere shadow of the contempt I suspect many hold parliament in. If Brexit has shown us one thing, it is that we, as the electorate, do not hold the political power in this country.

Secondly, I am confused about the Grieve amendment. This is an amendment on a motion (May's capitulation to the EU). How can it have legal effect unless that act is passed and given Royal assent? If the motion is voted down (seems likely), then the amendment goes with it. This does not bind the government. Parliament has the power to amend proposed legislation, not initiate future as-yet-unspecified legislation.