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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 05 Jul 24 8.16am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Reform got considerably more votes than the Liberal Democrats but hardly any seats compared to them....Reform having over 14 percent of votes cast compared to Lib Dems's 11. You have the Lib Dems crowing about their best performance when their representation far outweighs how popular they actually are. Annoying. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2024 6.33am) Maybe so, but that’s the system. I think Farage’s hyperbole about taking the tories place at the next election is a bit of a stretch. Both Labour and Cons would have to have an atrocious 5 years in power and opposition for that to happen, and even then, is he suggesting that they’d be able to go from 4 seats (yes, 4) to 100+ in that time? No chance. Not even close. The voter base isn’t there in my opinion, unless something truly catastrophic happens. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 05 Jul 24 8.16am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Reform got considerably more votes than the Liberal Democrats but hardly any seats compared to them....Reform having over 14 percent of votes cast compared to Lib Dems's 11.

You have the Lib Dems crowing about their best performance when their representation far outweighs how popular they actually are.

Annoying.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2024 6.33am)

Maybe so, but that’s the system.

I think Farage’s hyperbole about taking the tories place at the next election is a bit of a stretch. Both Labour and Cons would have to have an atrocious 5 years in power and opposition for that to happen, and even then, is he suggesting that they’d be able to go from 4 seats (yes, 4) to 100+ in that time? No chance. Not even close. The voter base isn’t there in my opinion, unless something truly catastrophic happens.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 05 Jul 24 8.25am
Originally posted by HKOwen I was projecting 10-15 seats for reform. If the exit poll is anywhere near correct, Reform will have twice the votes of the Lib Dems. Let's see who on here has the pure arrogance to start dissing Reform UK voters as misguided, stupid, racist and all the rest of it. I could start a sweep on which posters but what's the point? The pre election polemic is now in the bin and we will see how Starmer performs as leader. I suspect he will see the popularity of Le Pen in France as aready made excuse for being unable to pretty please France to accept returnees. I expect the arrival of illegal migrants on boats will continue unabated but the " processing " will speed up so they can get all these young men from god knows where and are god knows who into the system for benefits, health care etc etc. The number of arrivals is simple measure easily verified. I’m still fascinated by the focus on illegal migration It’s 4% of the problem at most. Legal migration is the actual issue - but everyone is continually focused on small beer because ‘small boats’ plays well to an island dwelling Joe public fed a constant fear inducing narrative of being invaded. Works very well politically, as we know. But it’s not logical. Wouldn’t you rather 500m was spent on an approach to limiting legal migration by say 20%, bringing the total down from ~1.2m to ~980k, for example. Or would you prefer 500m spent on a 50% reduction in illegal immigration keeping total immigration more or less where it is, at 1.15m. Doesn’t make any sense to me. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 05 Jul 24 8.25am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I was projecting 10-15 seats for reform.

If the exit poll is anywhere near correct, Reform will have twice the votes of the Lib Dems.

Let's see who on here has the pure arrogance to start dissing Reform UK voters as misguided, stupid, racist and all the rest of it.

I could start a sweep on which posters but what's the point?

The pre election polemic is now in the bin and we will see how Starmer performs as leader.

I suspect he will see the popularity of Le Pen in France as aready made excuse for being unable to pretty please France to accept returnees.

I expect the arrival of illegal migrants on boats will continue unabated but the " processing " will speed up so they can get all these young men from god knows where and are god knows who into the system for benefits, health care etc etc.

The number of arrivals is simple measure easily verified.

I’m still fascinated by the focus on illegal migration

It’s 4% of the problem at most. Legal migration is the actual issue - but everyone is continually focused on small beer because ‘small boats’ plays well to an island dwelling Joe public fed a constant fear inducing narrative of being invaded. Works very well politically, as we know.

But it’s not logical. Wouldn’t you rather 500m was spent on an approach to limiting legal migration by say 20%, bringing the total down from ~1.2m to ~980k, for example. Or would you prefer 500m spent on a 50% reduction in illegal immigration keeping total immigration more or less where it is, at 1.15m.

Doesn’t make any sense to me.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 05 Jul 24 8.26am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Maybe so, but that’s the system. I think Farage’s hyperbole about taking the tories place at the next election is a bit of a stretch. Both Labour and Cons would have to have an atrocious 5 years in power and opposition for that to happen, and even then, is he suggesting that they’d be able to go from 4 seats (yes, 4) to 100+ in that time? No chance. Not even close. The voter base isn’t there in my opinion, unless something truly catastrophic happens. Sure that's the system but the Lib Dems lording it with less votes is annoying....just saying. As for the analysis I would agree that the idea you can have a split in the right vote and one of the parties win with FPTP is just fantasy. However, I don't really think Farage thinks that...I think it's purely positioning, looking for defections.....there will now be a post mortem on the right and a battle for the direction of the Tory party. The merger with Reform at the end of this is where they become a serious force in 2029. Labour are going to make a complete hash of it regarding expectations versus actual delivery....Even though I regard them as incompetent I don't even think it'll be their fault....it's just the reality of the economic situation for a very long time. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2024 8.27am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jul 24 8.26am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Maybe so, but that’s the system.

Sure that's the system but the Lib Dems lording it with less votes is annoying....just saying.

As for the analysis I would agree that the idea you can have a split in the right vote and one of the parties win with FPTP is just fantasy.

However, I don't really think Farage thinks that...I think it's purely positioning, looking for defections.....there will now be a post mortem on the right and a battle for the direction of the Tory party.

The merger with Reform at the end of this is where they become a serious force in 2029.

Labour are going to make a complete hash of it regarding expectations versus actual delivery....Even though I regard them as incompetent I don't even think it'll be their fault....it's just the reality of the economic situation for a very long time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2024 8.27am)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 24 8.28am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer We're doomed! Electoral Armageddon. There is a news blackout in 'Chez Willo'. I shall be meeting some Conservative right-of-centre supporters at lunch to discuss the fallout. Edited by Willo (05 Jul 2024 9.45am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 24 8.28am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

We're doomed!

Electoral Armageddon.
There is a news blackout in 'Chez Willo'.
I shall be meeting some Conservative right-of-centre supporters at lunch to discuss the fallout.

Edited by Willo (05 Jul 2024 9.45am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jul 24 8.42am
Nothing very surprising in the result. The polls have proved pretty accurate. As I have said all along it’s what happens next to the Tories that is really interesting. Who will they choose to be opposition leader? Braverman seemingly having thrown her hat into the ring already with her speech last night. Her tactics the past year all building up to this. There will though be a determined fight to keep her out, hopefully led by Jeremy Hunt. The battle for the soul of the Tory Party is about to be joined. Reform did as expected, gaining a significant share of the total at 14.3% but only 4 seats, 2% more than the LibDems who got 71 seats. Coming second in fptp gets you nowhere. They have a natural ceiling and have reached it. The outcome desired by Farage, and predicted by some here, of them replacing the Tories as the opposition party has failed spectacularly. Only if the Tories now turn hard right in another bout of Farage fearfulness, as they did in 2016, do we need to worry as that would consign us to decades of Labour. Hopefully they will refocus, start growing grass and erasing memories by rewriting history. If they remain in the centre, preaching fiscal responsibility combined with social responsibility, then the comeback in 5 years could be as spectacular as yesterday’s defeat. The next 5 years are going to be very tough and whoever was in Government would get the blame. So Labour ought to be just a one term wonder. Time will tell. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Jul 24 8.42am

Nothing very surprising in the result. The polls have proved pretty accurate.

As I have said all along it’s what happens next to the Tories that is really interesting. Who will they choose to be opposition leader? Braverman seemingly having thrown her hat into the ring already with her speech last night. Her tactics the past year all building up to this. There will though be a determined fight to keep her out, hopefully led by Jeremy Hunt. The battle for the soul of the Tory Party is about to be joined.

Reform did as expected, gaining a significant share of the total at 14.3% but only 4 seats, 2% more than the LibDems who got 71 seats. Coming second in fptp gets you nowhere. They have a natural ceiling and have reached it. The outcome desired by Farage, and predicted by some here, of them replacing the Tories as the opposition party has failed spectacularly.

Only if the Tories now turn hard right in another bout of Farage fearfulness, as they did in 2016, do we need to worry as that would consign us to decades of Labour. Hopefully they will refocus, start growing grass and erasing memories by rewriting history.

If they remain in the centre, preaching fiscal responsibility combined with social responsibility, then the comeback in 5 years could be as spectacular as yesterday’s defeat.

The next 5 years are going to be very tough and whoever was in Government would get the blame. So Labour ought to be just a one term wonder. Time will tell.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Jul 24 8.42am
It feels like a weight lifted. The electoral system is poor to say the least. The conservatives were masters of it, now it has turned round to bite them. And with the size of the majority labour should be looking long and learn the lessons of the tory years of chaos.
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Croydon 05 Jul 24 8.42am

It feels like a weight lifted.

The electoral system is poor to say the least.

The conservatives were masters of it, now it has turned round to bite them.

And with the size of the majority labour should be looking long and learn the lessons of the tory years of chaos.

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Jul 24 8.58am
Beckenham turned red the first time in its history. Te Tory Party needs to think long and hard about what they are. Do they want to be Blair lite or do they want to remember their roots. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Jul 24 8.58am

Beckenham turned red the first time in its history.

Te Tory Party needs to think long and hard about what they are. Do they want to be Blair lite or do they want to remember their roots.

One more point

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jul 24 8.59am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Nothing very surprising in the result. The polls have proved pretty accurate. As I have said all along it’s what happens next to the Tories that is really interesting. Who will they choose to be opposition leader? Braverman seemingly having thrown her hat into the ring already with her speech last night. Her tactics the past year all building up to this. There will though be a determined fight to keep her out, hopefully led by Jeremy Hunt. The battle for the soul of the Tory Party is about to be joined. Reform did as expected, gaining a significant share of the total at 14.3% but only 4 seats, 2% more than the LibDems who got 71 seats. Coming second in fptp gets you nowhere. They have a natural ceiling and have reached it. The outcome desired by Farage, and predicted by some here, of them replacing the Tories as the opposition party has failed spectacularly. Only if the Tories now turn hard right in another bout of Farage fearfulness, as they did in 2016, do we need to worry as that would consign us to decades of Labour. Hopefully they will refocus, start growing grass and erasing memories by rewriting history. If they remain in the centre, preaching fiscal responsibility combined with social responsibility, then the comeback in 5 years could be as spectacular as yesterday’s defeat. The next 5 years are going to be very tough and whoever was in Government would get the blame. So Labour ought to be just a one term wonder. Time will tell. The simple facts is that the Tories were doomed as soon as we had a pandemic. It was a no win situation. In terms of the Reform vote. The government failed to listen to what people care about. They failed to tackle the dire effect that increasing immigration has had on this country and instead allowed it to rapidly increase instead. They also failed to halt the very visible surge of illegals coming across the channel. Reform got 15% of the vote as a result with many effectively punishing the Tories. The electoral system does not properly represent those people and has allowed a huge majority for a party who are the antithesis of the political direction that most people want. Unfortunate but necessary this time. Despite that, Labour are on shaky ground. If they don't deal with what people care about and tax as they usually do, they will be gone next time. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2024 9.00am)
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05 Jul 24 8.59am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nothing very surprising in the result. The polls have proved pretty accurate.

If they remain in the centre, preaching fiscal responsibility combined with social responsibility, then the comeback in 5 years could be as spectacular as yesterday’s defeat.

The next 5 years are going to be very tough and whoever was in Government would get the blame. So Labour ought to be just a one term wonder. Time will tell.

The simple facts is that the Tories were doomed as soon as we had a pandemic. It was a no win situation.

In terms of the Reform vote. The government failed to listen to what people care about.
They failed to tackle the dire effect that increasing immigration has had on this country and instead allowed it to rapidly increase instead. They also failed to halt the very visible surge of illegals coming across the channel.

Reform got 15% of the vote as a result with many effectively punishing the Tories. The electoral system does not properly represent those people and has allowed a huge majority for a party who are the antithesis of the political direction that most people want. Unfortunate but necessary this time.
Despite that, Labour are on shaky ground. If they don't deal with what people care about and tax as they usually do, they will be gone next time.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Jul 2024 9.00am)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 05 Jul 24 9.10am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I’m still fascinated by the focus on illegal migration It’s 4% of the problem at most. Legal migration is the actual issue - but everyone is continually focused on small beer because ‘small boats’ plays well to an island dwelling Joe public fed a constant fear inducing narrative of being invaded. Works very well politically, as we know. But it’s not logical. Wouldn’t you rather 500m was spent on an approach to limiting legal migration by say 20%, bringing the total down from ~1.2m to ~980k, for example. Or would you prefer 500m spent on a 50% reduction in illegal immigration keeping total immigration more or less where it is, at 1.15m. Doesn’t make any sense to me. My point is not that illegal migration is much less of a problem that legal, my point is Starmer has made specific promises on illegal, he has been silent on legal so it not a measurable Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 05 Jul 24 9.10am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I’m still fascinated by the focus on illegal migration

Doesn’t make any sense to me.

My point is not that illegal migration is much less of a problem that legal, my point is Starmer has made specific promises on illegal, he has been silent on legal so it not a measurable

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 05 Jul 24 9.15am
Apparently according to some the Tories turned 'hard right' in 2016. I certainly missed it at the time. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

05 Jul 24 9.15am

Apparently according to some the Tories turned 'hard right' in 2016.

I certainly missed it at the time.

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Stirlingsays 05 Jul 24 9.17am
Labour got less votes than Cameron did for a hung parliament in 2010.....Less than Corbyn when he lost. Won power purely on the Tories being bad rather than any excitement for Labour. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jul 24 9.17am

Labour got less votes than Cameron did for a hung parliament in 2010.....Less than Corbyn when he lost. Won power purely on the Tories being bad rather than any excitement for Labour.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 05 Jul 24 9.21am
Originally posted by Willo Electoral Armageddon. There is a news blackout in 'Chez Willo'. I shall be meeting my Conservative activists at lunch to discuss the fallout. It would be interesting to read a full transcript of your luncheon discussion on here Willo. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Originally posted by Willo

Electoral Armageddon.
There is a news blackout in 'Chez Willo'.
I shall be meeting my Conservative activists at lunch to discuss the fallout.

It would be interesting to read a full transcript of your luncheon discussion on here Willo.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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