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cryrst The garden of England 01 Apr 23 1.38pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail. Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x. A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them. If we are destroying the planet with uk emissions then all public transport should be free shouldn’t it. Pay the companies costs plus 10% then they can pay the dividends and the service will be perfect. I’m applying for PM
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The garden of England 01 Apr 23 1.38pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail.

Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x.

A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them.

If we are destroying the planet with uk emissions then all public transport should be free shouldn’t it. Pay the companies costs plus 10% then they can pay the dividends and the service will be perfect. I’m applying for PM

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footythoughts Beckenham 01 Apr 23 4.17pm
Originally posted by Matov And in a social media age, then Governments focus does not even seem to extend to 4 years. News cycle to news cycle, often no more than a few days at a time. Very true, it's all strung together soundbites and soon forgotten promises.
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Originally posted by Matov

And in a social media age, then Governments focus does not even seem to extend to 4 years. News cycle to news cycle, often no more than a few days at a time.

Very true, it's all strung together soundbites and soon forgotten promises.

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footythoughts Beckenham 01 Apr 23 4.19pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Can't remember the last time I used a train. It if was priced along the lines of many of our european neigbours it would be something people just did rather than needed to think about or get a loan out for . Edited by footythoughts (01 Apr 2023 4.20pm)
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Originally posted by georgenorman

Can't remember the last time I used a train.

It if was priced along the lines of many of our european neigbours it would be something people just did rather than needed to think about or get a loan out for .

Edited by footythoughts (01 Apr 2023 4.20pm)

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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Apr 23 4.23pm
We have never really had the 'left', we are still semi-feudal. Many of our institutions – monarchy, landed aristocracy, House of Lords, deeply ingrained class system, Oxbridge, private schools – rule us and are now obsolete elsewhere. These are indicators of a forelock-pulling worldview that persists, certainly in my generation. The French had a genuine revolution, we never did, it explains the difference they naturally rebel against authority, the British not so, and cannot change their system in elections.
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Croydon 02 Apr 23 4.23pm

We have never really had the 'left', we are still semi-feudal.

Many of our institutions – monarchy, landed aristocracy, House of Lords, deeply ingrained class system, Oxbridge, private schools – rule us and are now obsolete elsewhere.

These are indicators of a forelock-pulling worldview that persists, certainly in my generation.

The French had a genuine revolution, we never did, it explains the difference they naturally rebel against authority, the British not so, and cannot change their system in elections.

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Apr 23 6.11pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We have never really had the 'left', we are still semi-feudal. Many of our institutions – monarchy, landed aristocracy, House of Lords, deeply ingrained class system, Oxbridge, private schools – rule us and are now obsolete elsewhere. These are indicators of a forelock-pulling worldview that persists, certainly in my generation. The French had a genuine revolution, we never did, it explains the difference they naturally rebel against authority, the British not so, and cannot change their system in elections. And you know what happens with revolutions. You end up back where you started. The French government has far more pomp and ceremony than ours. We just wheel out the Royals occasionally for the tourists and to improve diplomatic relations with other countries. There cannot be and never will be a system where everybody is equal. Get over it.
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Originally posted by steeleye20

We have never really had the 'left', we are still semi-feudal.

Many of our institutions – monarchy, landed aristocracy, House of Lords, deeply ingrained class system, Oxbridge, private schools – rule us and are now obsolete elsewhere.

These are indicators of a forelock-pulling worldview that persists, certainly in my generation.

The French had a genuine revolution, we never did, it explains the difference they naturally rebel against authority, the British not so, and cannot change their system in elections.

And you know what happens with revolutions. You end up back where you started.
The French government has far more pomp and ceremony than ours.
We just wheel out the Royals occasionally for the tourists and to improve diplomatic relations with other countries.

There cannot be and never will be a system where everybody is equal.

Get over it.

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 02 Apr 23 6.44pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail. Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x. A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them. Living in France, we often take the train to CDG airport......90 minutes journey, first class tickets, bar and snack service and ALWAYS on time (if it says 9.20 its ALWAYS at 9.20, not within 15 minutes like English trains) so taking the train is a no brainer, especially as it costs us 12 quid each, if only UK trains were like that.
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The garden of England.(not really) 02 Apr 23 6.44pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail.

Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x.

A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them.

Living in France, we often take the train to CDG airport......90 minutes journey, first class tickets, bar and snack service and ALWAYS on time (if it says 9.20 its ALWAYS at 9.20, not within 15 minutes like English trains) so taking the train is a no brainer, especially as it costs us 12 quid each, if only UK trains were like that.

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georgenorman 02 Apr 23 6.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We have never really had the 'left', we are still semi-feudal. Many of our institutions – monarchy, landed aristocracy, House of Lords, deeply ingrained class system, Oxbridge, private schools – rule us and are now obsolete elsewhere. These are indicators of a forelock-pulling worldview that persists, certainly in my generation. The French had a genuine revolution, we never did, it explains the difference they naturally rebel against authority, the British not so, and cannot change their system in elections. As usual, we were ahead of our time, and had our Revolution in the 1640s - complete with beheading the Monarch. The result was of course a dictator who had more power than the deposed - a familiar pattern. Edited by georgenorman (02 Apr 2023 6.45pm)
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02 Apr 23 6.45pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We have never really had the 'left', we are still semi-feudal.

Many of our institutions – monarchy, landed aristocracy, House of Lords, deeply ingrained class system, Oxbridge, private schools – rule us and are now obsolete elsewhere.

These are indicators of a forelock-pulling worldview that persists, certainly in my generation.

The French had a genuine revolution, we never did, it explains the difference they naturally rebel against authority, the British not so, and cannot change their system in elections.

As usual, we were ahead of our time, and had our Revolution in the 1640s - complete with beheading the Monarch. The result was of course a dictator who had more power than the deposed - a familiar pattern.

Edited by georgenorman (02 Apr 2023 6.45pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 10 Apr 23 6.54pm
[Link] They will stop at nothing. I’m beginning to wonder how they can win in 2024 as they score so many own goals it’s laughable
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They will stop at nothing. I’m beginning to wonder how they can win in 2024 as they score so many own goals it’s laughable

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Stirlingsays 11 Apr 23 12.34pm
Debunking woke history. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Apr 23 12.34pm

Debunking woke history.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Apr 23 1.06pm
'The Media', they cause the bias in information we receive. Do the media inform impartially, and what is the cause of any (political) bias? So do the media reflect public opinion or do they very much shape and form it ? It used to be a battle between broadsheets and red-tops and their financiers (political and commercial) So many people post links on these pages that it becomes very difficult to ascertain informed information, from biased spouting. At the time Corbyn was going for the General Election , there were many stories about his very left past. Having listened to Corbyn speak at a live event, taking questions from the audience, he actually spoke a lot of sense. Ultimately , I am of the opinion , that the media conducted a hatchet job on him (quite easy with Diane Abbot at his side ) And Corbyn actually didn't lose the GE by a great deal at all. So when these pages seek to push people towards right or left alignment, i just shrug. All politicians are out for themselves. There are a shower of 5hlt in Government and there should be a viable alternative. Unfortunately our current political system does not allow us the political freedom we deserve. I disengage, I turn the page.
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'The Media', they cause the bias in information we receive. Do the media inform impartially, and what is the cause of any (political) bias?
So do the media reflect public opinion or do they very much shape and form it ?

It used to be a battle between broadsheets and red-tops and their financiers (political and commercial)

So many people post links on these pages that it becomes very difficult to ascertain informed information, from biased spouting.

At the time Corbyn was going for the General Election , there were many stories about his very left past.
Having listened to Corbyn speak at a live event, taking questions from the audience, he actually spoke a lot of sense.
Ultimately , I am of the opinion , that the media conducted a hatchet job on him (quite easy with Diane Abbot at his side )

And Corbyn actually didn't lose the GE by a great deal at all.

So when these pages seek to push people towards right or left alignment, i just shrug.
All politicians are out for themselves. There are a shower of 5hlt in Government and there should be a viable alternative. Unfortunately our current political system does not allow us the political freedom we deserve.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Matov 11 Apr 23 5.58pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly So do the media reflect public opinion or do they very much shape and form it ? Its a good question. What is undeniable is that the power of the printed press has now declined to the point of almost obsolescence. And especially the tabloids. The broadsheets still carry some weight but even so, much less than before. For me the issue is now not so much about shaping and forming public opinion but rather what they choose to print. So plenty of stories simply get ignored or even reporting of them outright banned. This current Ukraine-Russian conflict is a great example. During the Falklands conflict there was plenty of coverage given to the Argentinians claims. Even afterwards, debates about the sinking of the Belgrano. But since Russia attacked Ukraine, they have literally made it illegal to report on the Russian POV. No RT allowed on western screens, nobody putting the Russian case, incredibly skewed reportage when it comes to civilian casualties and so on. From the BBC putting footage forward computer game recordings as actual dog-fighting (remember the 'Ghost'of Kiev?) to the supposed massacre of the Ukranian sailors on an Island, the BBC and the rest of Western Media have not even tried to maintain a pretence of fairness. We are in a post-freedom of speech age. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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11 Apr 23 5.58pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

So do the media reflect public opinion or do they very much shape and form it ?

Its a good question. What is undeniable is that the power of the printed press has now declined to the point of almost obsolescence. And especially the tabloids. The broadsheets still carry some weight but even so, much less than before.

For me the issue is now not so much about shaping and forming public opinion but rather what they choose to print. So plenty of stories simply get ignored or even reporting of them outright banned.

This current Ukraine-Russian conflict is a great example. During the Falklands conflict there was plenty of coverage given to the Argentinians claims. Even afterwards, debates about the sinking of the Belgrano.

But since Russia attacked Ukraine, they have literally made it illegal to report on the Russian POV. No RT allowed on western screens, nobody putting the Russian case, incredibly skewed reportage when it comes to civilian casualties and so on.

From the BBC putting footage forward computer game recordings as actual dog-fighting (remember the 'Ghost'of Kiev?) to the supposed massacre of the Ukranian sailors on an Island, the BBC and the rest of Western Media have not even tried to maintain a pretence of fairness.

We are in a post-freedom of speech age.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 23 2.29am
Originally posted by Matov Its a good question. What is undeniable is that the power of the printed press has now declined to the point of almost obsolescence. And especially the tabloids. The broadsheets still carry some weight but even so, much less than before. For me the issue is now not so much about shaping and forming public opinion but rather what they choose to print. So plenty of stories simply get ignored or even reporting of them outright banned. This current Ukraine-Russian conflict is a great example. During the Falklands conflict there was plenty of coverage given to the Argentinians claims. Even afterwards, debates about the sinking of the Belgrano. But since Russia attacked Ukraine, they have literally made it illegal to report on the Russian POV. No RT allowed on western screens, nobody putting the Russian case, incredibly skewed reportage when it comes to civilian casualties and so on. From the BBC putting footage forward computer game recordings as actual dog-fighting (remember the 'Ghost'of Kiev?) to the supposed massacre of the Ukranian sailors on an Island, the BBC and the rest of Western Media have not even tried to maintain a pretence of fairness. We are in a post-freedom of speech age. Yep, it's one of the reasons why my sympathy for the western perspective....which is obviously my own interest as well.....soured quite some time ago. There are no good sides in this conflict....there are plenty of good people fighting....but the leaderships are dishonest and awful and fully to blame for how the war happened in the first place. Liars should be held to account. The same justice meated out to the common man must also occur to the elites and until it does our society will continue to lose trust and decline. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2023 4.39am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Apr 23 2.29am

Originally posted by Matov

For me the issue is now not so much about shaping and forming public opinion but rather what they choose to print. So plenty of stories simply get ignored or even reporting of them outright banned.

We are in a post-freedom of speech age.

Yep, it's one of the reasons why my sympathy for the western perspective....which is obviously my own interest as well.....soured quite some time ago.

There are no good sides in this conflict....there are plenty of good people fighting....but the leaderships are dishonest and awful and fully to blame for how the war happened in the first place.

Liars should be held to account. The same justice meated out to the common man must also occur to the elites and until it does our society will continue to lose trust and decline.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2023 4.39am)

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