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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Dec 18 9.16am
Originally posted by silvertop I'm not sure you have the vote unless registered for council tax. Emphasis - not sure. However.the sponging underclass you allude to: do many of them actually vote? In order to vote you have to be on the Electoral Register. Whilst paying Council Tax and claiming benefits from the council are separate from this an efficient council would be expected to check. I would hope that your council has a simple program that compare voters to taxpayers and highlights exceptions for someone to follow up. During the Poll Tax revolt (1990's) when people were refusing to pay a friend said I am not paying the council (Bromley) will never know. I warned him that unlike many of the inner city boroughs Bromley was known for its efficiency in tax matters. He was fined after a courts summons. Bromley was selected for the voter id trial because of their track record. Meanwhile in some inner boroughs people appear on the Electoral Roll who don't exist or are classed as a UK citizen when they are not. But as the poster said the great unwashed tend not to bother to vote anyway. One more point
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Beckenham 04 Dec 18 9.16am

Originally posted by silvertop

I'm not sure you have the vote unless registered for council tax. Emphasis - not sure.

However.the sponging underclass you allude to: do many of them actually vote?

In order to vote you have to be on the Electoral Register. Whilst paying Council Tax and claiming benefits from the council are separate from this an efficient council would be expected to check. I would hope that your council has a simple program that compare voters to taxpayers and highlights exceptions for someone to follow up.

During the Poll Tax revolt (1990's) when people were refusing to pay a friend said I am not paying the council (Bromley) will never know. I warned him that unlike many of the inner city boroughs Bromley was known for its efficiency in tax matters. He was fined after a courts summons.

Bromley was selected for the voter id trial because of their track record. Meanwhile in some inner boroughs people appear on the Electoral Roll who don't exist or are classed as a UK citizen when they are not.

But as the poster said the great unwashed tend not to bother to vote anyway.

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Lyons550 Shirley 04 Dec 18 9.19am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Personally I would only allow those who pay into the tax system a vote on electing a government (with exceptions like the retired or disabled).....like the old days. We have a huge number of people who take out more than they put in getting to vote on the economic direction the country goes in. Yet they are the opposite of economically successful themselves. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2018 3.18pm) Whilst I wouldn't disagree with this, my point is more geared to enforcing those who ARE eligible to actually cast a vote; something many hundreds of thousands didn't in the referendum out of pure laziness....ironically the section that are now moaning the loudest! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 04 Dec 18 9.19am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Personally I would only allow those who pay into the tax system a vote on electing a government (with exceptions like the retired or disabled).....like the old days.

We have a huge number of people who take out more than they put in getting to vote on the economic direction the country goes in.

Yet they are the opposite of economically successful themselves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2018 3.18pm)

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with this, my point is more geared to enforcing those who ARE eligible to actually cast a vote; something many hundreds of thousands didn't in the referendum out of pure laziness....ironically the section that are now moaning the loudest!

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 04 Dec 18 10.21am
Originally posted by Lyons550 Whilst I wouldn't disagree with this, my point is more geared to enforcing those who ARE eligible to actually cast a vote; something many hundreds of thousands didn't in the referendum out of pure laziness....ironically the section that are now moaning the loudest! Along with the right to vote comes the right to not do so. Looking at the list of utter fckwit candidates presenting themselves at every election, that is often the only realistic option. I don't want it on my conscience that I assisted in putting any of them in a position of power. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 04 Dec 18 10.21am

Originally posted by Lyons550

Along with the right to vote comes the right to not do so. Looking at the list of utter f*ckwit candidates presenting themselves at every election, that is often the only realistic option. I don't want it on my conscience that I assisted in putting any of them in a position of power.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 18 10.59am
Originally posted by Lyons550 Whilst I wouldn't disagree with this, my point is more geared to enforcing those who ARE eligible to actually cast a vote; something many hundreds of thousands didn't in the referendum out of pure laziness....ironically the section that are now moaning the loudest! Forcing people to partake in an activity they don't wish to partake in isn't democracy......It's authoritarianism. People who don't contribute into the system (with exceptions) shouldn't be deciding upon that system. That's an encouragement to contribute......not forcing them to. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Dec 18 10.59am

Originally posted by Lyons550

Forcing people to partake in an activity they don't wish to partake in isn't democracy......It's authoritarianism.

People who don't contribute into the system (with exceptions) shouldn't be deciding upon that system.

That's an encouragement to contribute......not forcing them to.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Dec 18 11.19am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Forcing people to partake in an activity they don't wish to partake in isn't democracy......It's authoritarianism. People who don't contribute into the system (with exceptions) shouldn't be deciding upon that system. That's an encouragement to contribute......not forcing them to. I have family who are resident in Australia/Tasmania and over there it is compulsory to vote.This was introduced back in bygone days due to poor turnouts and I think one can be fined 50 Australian dollars if it is not your first offence.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Dec 18 11.19am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Forcing people to partake in an activity they don't wish to partake in isn't democracy......It's authoritarianism.

People who don't contribute into the system (with exceptions) shouldn't be deciding upon that system.

That's an encouragement to contribute......not forcing them to.

I have family who are resident in Australia/Tasmania and over there it is compulsory to vote.This was introduced back in bygone days due to poor turnouts and I think one can be fined 50 Australian dollars if it is not your first offence.

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Pussay Patrol 04 Dec 18 11.24am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Forcing people to partake in an activity they don't wish to partake in isn't democracy......It's authoritarianism. People who don't contribute into the system (with exceptions) shouldn't be deciding upon that system. That's an encouragement to contribute......not forcing them to. Everyone contributes to the country as a society and government decisions affect everyone Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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04 Dec 18 11.24am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Forcing people to partake in an activity they don't wish to partake in isn't democracy......It's authoritarianism.

People who don't contribute into the system (with exceptions) shouldn't be deciding upon that system.

That's an encouragement to contribute......not forcing them to.

Everyone contributes to the country as a society and government decisions affect everyone

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 18 11.31am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Everyone contributes to the country as a society and government decisions affect everyone I disagree with the former and agree with the latter. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Dec 18 11.31am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Everyone contributes to the country as a society and government decisions affect everyone

I disagree with the former and agree with the latter.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 18 11.34am
Originally posted by Willo I have family who are resident in Australia/Tasmania and over there it is compulsory to vote.This was introduced back in bygone days due to poor turnouts and I think one can be fined 50 Australian dollars if it is not your first offence. I've heard about this....Forcing those who don't want to contribute to vote.....Sounds on par with the soviets. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 11.35am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Dec 18 11.34am

Originally posted by Willo

I've heard about this....Forcing those who don't want to contribute to vote.....Sounds on par with the soviets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 11.35am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 04 Dec 18 11.39am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I've heard about this....Forcing those who don't want to contribute to vote.....Sounds on par with the soviets. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 11.35am) Nothing to stop people from simply writing 'no suitable candidate' on their ballot paper. Then their views are known, one way or another.
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Croydon 04 Dec 18 11.39am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've heard about this....Forcing those who don't want to contribute to vote.....Sounds on par with the soviets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 11.35am)

Nothing to stop people from simply writing 'no suitable candidate' on their ballot paper.

Then their views are known, one way or another.

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Lyons550 Shirley 04 Dec 18 11.41am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Along with the right to vote comes the right to not do so. Looking at the list of utter f*ckwit candidates presenting themselves at every election, that is often the only realistic option. I don't want it on my conscience that I assisted in putting any of them in a position of power. make them follow the Aussie system...they need to get to the ballot box and tick the 'no vote' option. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 04 Dec 18 11.41am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

make them follow the Aussie system...they need to get to the ballot box and tick the 'no vote' option.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Dec 18 11.53am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I've heard about this....Forcing those who don't want to contribute to vote.....Sounds on par with the soviets. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 11.35am) [Link]
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South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Dec 18 11.53am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've heard about this....Forcing those who don't want to contribute to vote.....Sounds on par with the soviets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2018 11.35am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Dec 18 11.57am
Originally posted by Mapletree Nothing to stop people from simply writing 'no suitable candidate' on their ballot paper. Then their views are known, one way or another. Having been a counting officer I can confirm people do and worse, not that I blame them. The problem is that the system counts these as spoilt votes along with the idiots who really do mess up their ballot paper. My guess is that far more people deliberately spoil their votes then make a genuine mistake. However the politicians can kid themselves that the electorate are idiots, don't know how to vote and should be ignored. I agree with the other poster all ballot papers should have a "none of the above" box to tick. The parties could not ignore that especially if the number got into double figures they would be all over it trying to understand why and how to grab those votes. Additionally providing that option should increase voter turnout as people would know that their vote was being properly counted. Edited by Badger11 (04 Dec 2018 11.59am) One more point
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Beckenham 04 Dec 18 11.57am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Nothing to stop people from simply writing 'no suitable candidate' on their ballot paper.

Then their views are known, one way or another.

Having been a counting officer I can confirm people do and worse, not that I blame them. The problem is that the system counts these as spoilt votes along with the idiots who really do mess up their ballot paper. My guess is that far more people deliberately spoil their votes then make a genuine mistake.

However the politicians can kid themselves that the electorate are idiots, don't know how to vote and should be ignored.

I agree with the other poster all ballot papers should have a "none of the above" box to tick. The parties could not ignore that especially if the number got into double figures they would be all over it trying to understand why and how to grab those votes.

Additionally providing that option should increase voter turnout as people would know that their vote was being properly counted.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Dec 2018 11.59am)

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