I do not need to provide anything you are the one making the claims of "cause"

I stated their is no evidence of this which is true otherwise you should be able to provide the evidence which you have not done so.

Each link you provide as stated again shows no such thing making them invalid.

Another link this will be interesting.

The point of that link is what? it again shows nothing.

Is this another one you have not even read through and the sources they use for the data it appears so

I have made bold a word you quoted and another line you need to re read

what is some 1 10 100000? and to who?

Here is two quotes from your link "COVID-19 outcomes and Cardiovascular manifestations and clinical course of COVID-19—many patients also have CVD, such as hypertension and obesity, acute myocardial injury and myocarditis"

"potential relationships between hypertension and COVID-19 are thought most likely to relate to confounding due to age and associated comorbidities, namely obesity"

Do you understand what this is stating?

This is very simple to follow

I saw you mention about being a student which subject is this in?

Regarding a risk factor they need to provide evidence of how much and to who no such data is shown and the quote you posted has no mention of it either.

Tom down the road "may" be hit by lighting or may be hit by a truck no data provided so this is opinion.

The links you post do show science but not what you are claiming.

This is why I always bring up nutrition it is the same lots of people making claims yet its junk they show nothing and when data is provided it is by association or epidemiology which is not even based of anything valid.

Do I believe in my opinion that for some people who already have health issues or a small % of the population that will contract the virus it could lead to some of the issues you suggest yes this could happen with being vaccinated as well.

Only listen to information that you know doesn't have an agenda.

When people look at the information coming at them in the news and media the point should be made that these scientists are not independents...notice the gongs they have just received. They all have employers and they are all under pressure, many of them financially. You will notice the studies that they don't do.

You always have to ask yourself does the state have your bests interests at heart. Now I'm not here saying that our state wishes us physical harm, because I don't believe that. However, I am saying that they are very capable of lying to you or of colouring the truth as it were and of suppressing the public appearance of any serious contention.

A representative of SAGE themselves only recently admitted to only providing the worst projections as that was what the government were asking for.....not the most realistic ones. All to support possible policy.

Do you think this admission will help him with his employer?.....I doubt it and I expect he'll regret saying it.

Every regime in modern history has had its scientists backing them for all the same very human reasons.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2022 12.57pm)

Would it be believable to think the same scenario of no bad news no funding when it comes to climate change. It seems an opinion against the masses will get you cancelled in that field as well.

As I said, you are ever so clever. Please provide any form of counter-argument, using primary research, as you are clearly fantastically well informed and know more then every authoritative source.

As you will know from your reading of Thomas Kuhn, science continually moves on and we do the best with the information available to us. So currently there is information indicating that COVID is a real problem to people with heart conditions and can trigger heart problems for those people that previously were not showing indications of one. If you know that this is false information please show your workings. You simply nay say repeatedly. That is lazy and makes you look like, frankly, you aren't nearly as clever as we all know you are.

I'm done you are a waste of time.

In science if you are claiming something you need to provide the evidence you are not doing this.

I have laid it out as simple as I can for anyone to follow you claim "cause" you have not shown this I highlighted from the links you provide not myself they state "maybe" "link" showing nothing its all words.

I can do the same thing I cut my finger 25 years ago and now I have been informed by the doctor I will need to have it removed.

The cut must of been the "cause" missing the fact I am obese have diabetes as well as a bunch of other health issues and am now 80 years old.

The last link you posted I even quoted from it clear to read they do not have enough data and 2 cohort studies (Those two studies are not valid anyway not in a controlled environment no medical history either questionnaire data)

Science does move on in some areas nutrition science has gone backwards why because its all about $$$ not the truth.

Yes I am the one who is lazy because I dont what post up useless articles that show nothing.

I said it in another post you are stuck in a loop you do not understand what you are looking at and are doing the same thing the media do pick bits out to claim something because it sounds good when it does not show anything it claims but gets headlines for people who have no clue on the subject.

I will make it simple for you provide one of your links to a proper controlled lock in trial for a 3-6month period this will also contain groups of all different age ranges, genders, races also ones with no health problems questionnaire history is not valid.

One variant will be used with the people who are infected.

You wont find one because they do not want to do real science like this.

Evidence of what? I made no claims you did.

If I claimed as you are I would post up the research I made no claims I am shutting down the repeated posts of "cause" claims which all your links show no such thing.

Lack of understanding from you again you keep quoting yet can not understand even basics.

"LINKED" and "Increased Risk"

Everything in life is a risk

You stated it does "cause" this does not show that

It's all from you "may" "link" "risk" no "cause"

I can link many diseases to a person having a stroke should we just guess what was the cause must of been that cold they had or because they had eaten some red meat.

ridiculous

If you was correct all of these would state stroke caused by covid-19 and then it would explain the mechanism behind it they do not not valid.

It's opinion not proven

Stop claiming it's facts and cause