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  georgenorman  31 Mar 23 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Common ownership of energy water and rail is an absolute must. Why do the tories see privatisations, in the face of all their failures, as their preference? Privatisation is the God that failed. Rotten services, sky-high prices, zero investment, absent foreign owners, naked profiteering, highest taxes and borrowing since WW2 to keep them in clover. The taxpayer ultimately picks up the tab for all their failures, not them. The problem is that nationalised industries are usually even worse.
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cryrst  The garden of England 31 Mar 23 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Common ownership of energy water and rail is an absolute must. Why do the tories see privatisations, in the face of all their failures, as their preference? Privatisation is the God that failed. Rotten services, sky-high prices, zero investment, absent foreign owners, naked profiteering, highest taxes and borrowing since WW2 to keep them in clover. The taxpayer ultimately picks up the tab for all their failures, not them. So who pays if a nationalised service fails ?
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| Midlands Eagle 01 Apr 23 7.15am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Why do the tories see privatisations, in the face of all their failures, as their preference? Privatisation is the God that failed. Rotten services, sky-high prices, zero investment, absent foreign owners, naked profiteering, highest taxes and borrowing since WW2 to keep them in clover. The taxpayer ultimately picks up the tab for all their failures, not them. Whilst the utilities may have been privatised under the Tories it was the traditional Labour supporters who snaffled the shares in the offerings then subsequently sold out when offered large profits
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| footythoughts Beckenham 01 Apr 23 10.37am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The problem is that nationalised industries are usually even worse. The nationalised rail network runs like clockwork in many European countries and is actually affortable. In this country we tend to privatise gains and socialise loses. In fact that almost always happens.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 01 Apr 23 10.38am |
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if you look at the top 20 Labour members.......what a rogues gallery of eejits. do you see any ? ..... man-hating feminists Marxists apologists for Islamic terrorism socialist dinosaurs defenders of Sharia Courts and a parallel society with zero allegiance to the King what a sh1t-show
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| footythoughts Beckenham 01 Apr 23 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Whilst the utilities may have been privatised under the Tories it was the traditional Labour supporters who snaffled the shares in the offerings then subsequently sold out when offered large profits I remember when the Post office was privatised. Big investors got first dogs and the man on the street (regardless of politics) had a limit of a few K they could vuy. That's more in line with what actually happens during privatisation.
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| georgenorman 01 Apr 23 10.46am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
The nationalised rail network runs like clockwork in many European countries and is actually affortable. In this country we tend to privatise gains and socialise loses. In fact that almost always happens. I'm old enough to remember when the railways here were nationalised and they ran more like a sun-dial than clockwork.
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| Matov 01 Apr 23 10.51am |
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Something like water NOT being nationalised makes little sense to me. It is an absolutely vital component of everyday life. I struggle to see how you can introduce any kind of 'for profit' motive in any kind of traditional capitalistic frame (i.e one that has to has to, by its very nature, impose a withdrawal of service penalty for refusal to pay for it) Everybody in a modern nation-state should have access to clean drinking water and sewerage. But trains? An element of genuine competition, along with the regulation of market forces, sits much, much more easily with me. Edited by Matov (01 Apr 2023 10.52am)
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| footythoughts Beckenham 01 Apr 23 10.55am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I'm old enough to remember when the railways here were nationalised and they ran more like a sun-dial than clockwork. Certainly the railway here has struggled at times. The beeching cuts, unpopular the the time, would be a good example of that. My point is that many countries do get nationalisation right and at it's most effective it's often more effective as can be seen in other countries. The problem I suppose often may be that governments that wish to privatise have the tools to let nationalised industries fail, and it's a big of a cash windfall in the moment. A significant failing of our politics is that no government thinks beyond four years, or you can even argue beyond election years.
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| Matov 01 Apr 23 11.08am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
A significant failing of our politics is that no government thinks beyond four years, or you can even argue beyond election years.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 01 Apr 23 11.56am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
Certainly the railway here has struggled at times. The beeching cuts, unpopular the the time, would be a good example of that. My point is that many countries do get nationalisation right and at it's most effective it's often more effective as can be seen in other countries. The problem I suppose often may be that governments that wish to privatise have the tools to let nationalised industries fail, and it's a big of a cash windfall in the moment. A significant failing of our politics is that no government thinks beyond four years, or you can even argue beyond election years. Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail. Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x. A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them.
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| georgenorman 01 Apr 23 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail. Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x. A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them. Can't remember the last time I used a train.
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